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Old 10-31-2005, 01:46 AM
DcifrThs DcifrThs is offline
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Default Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

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9/18 at Commerce. One horrible limper and Bakku raises in the CO, I 3 bet on the button with 9h 9c limper calls, Bakku calls.

Flop is Ad 8d 7c checked to me, I bet, limper folds, Bakku checkraises, I call.

Turn is 9d Bakku bets, I raise, Bakku 3 bets, I call.

River is 3d Bakku hesitates for like 5 seconds and then bets, I call.

-DeathDonkey

what is your preferred river action given that bakku is a good player very capable of employing clark's theorem?

dont vote if you dont know so as not to currupt the data. i.e. dont guess.

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Old 10-31-2005, 01:49 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

Why no turn 4bet?
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Old 10-31-2005, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

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Why no turn 4bet?

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dont you DARE change the subject...i took it from SSHE...i dont care about the turn. dont make me turn you pink!

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Old 10-31-2005, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

wow i just saw this post in ss. you need to show the suits
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Old 10-31-2005, 02:02 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

he certainly could have aces up or a set and I don't think he folds a diamond to a raise (and it's unlikely he has a small diamond), so it seems like a pretty simple call
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Old 10-31-2005, 02:05 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

what is exactly is clarkmeister's theorem?
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Old 10-31-2005, 02:14 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

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what is exactly is clarkmeister's theorem?

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clark proved that the highest EV on average is to bet any 4 flushed board that become 4 flushed on the river when OOP no matter what your holding. ive found 1 or 2 exceptionsa nd have been working on a counter strategy. (or at least when to employ it)

anyways. thats it.

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Old 10-31-2005, 02:17 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

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ive found 1 or 2 exceptions

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can someone point us to the thread where clark proved this? because honestly if there are counter-examples then the proof is flawed and we need to see why.
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Old 10-31-2005, 02:38 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

it wasnt a proof so much as a concept...he's quoted in the archives somewhere as saying "you should bet the river dang near 100% of the time. this is one of those times".

Enough people used it, posted about it, and asked about it, that by the time I found it it was just called clarkmeister's theorem
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Old 10-31-2005, 02:39 AM
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Default Re: Clark\'s Theorem counter...stolen from SSHE

i see no reason to do anything other than call.

with a worse hand i suppose we can employ the rever clarky as you are clearly hinting at. but with a set we are ahead of a ton of hands that bakku has given the action. so a raise will only fold those hands. call call call call call.
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