Nearly-Surreal Rule about Capped NL bets at the Bike

[JustASpectator]

Denny Williams, who I believe is the Tournament Director at the Bicycle Casino, used to comment on Live @ The Bike. Based on some of his comments during the shows, it would not surprise me if he was the one claiming the rule is in the TDA. He's an idiot in my opinion. There was one broadcast where he said he enforces the "show one show all rule" by forcing a player that flashes a single card to the table to show the other card. Ummmm...yeah, that's what that rule means Denny. Idiot.

[Kevmath]

You can also "thank" Denny for the F-word rule.

[Nick B.]

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Denny Williams, who I believe is the Tournament Director at the Bicycle Casino, used to comment on Live @ The Bike. Based on some of his comments during the shows, it would not surprise me if he was the one claiming the rule is in the TDA. He's an idiot in my opinion. There was one broadcast where he said he enforces the "show one show all rule" by forcing a player that flashes a single card to the table to show the other card. Ummmm...yeah, that's what that rule means Denny. Idiot.

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Actually that is the rule.

[gumpzilla]

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Actually that is the rule.

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"Show one show all" isn't referring to if you show one player something you must show the whole table? I had been under the impression you could show one card, but I don't play live.

[Lloyd]

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Actually that is the rule.

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"Show one show all" isn't referring to if you show one player something you must show the whole table? I had been under the impression you could show one card, but I don't play live.

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In some casinos, show one show all applies to the cards (show one show all). In others it doesn't and only applies to showing the people.

[JustASpectator]

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In some casinos, show one show all applies to the cards (show one show all). In others it doesn't and only applies to showing the people.

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My mistake. The time I heard Denny Williams refer to the rule pertaining to showing both cards, and not just one, was the first time I had ever heard the rule interpreted that way.

[TomHimself]

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In some casinos, show one show all applies to the cards (show one show all). In others it doesn't and only applies to showing the people.

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My mistake. The time I heard Denny Williams refer to the rule pertaining to showing both cards, and not just one, was the first time I had ever heard the rule interpreted that way.

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[SoBeDude]

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Denny Williams, who I believe is the Tournament Director at the Bicycle Casino, used to comment on Live @ The Bike. Based on some of his comments during the shows, it would not surprise me if he was the one claiming the rule is in the TDA. He's an idiot in my opinion. There was one broadcast where he said he enforces the "show one show all rule" by forcing a player that flashes a single card to the table to show the other card. Ummmm...yeah, that's what that rule means Denny. Idiot.

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Actually that is the rule.

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Yes that IS the rule and not just at the Bike. this is a standard TDA rule I've seen enforced at several WPT events this year.

It is a RETARDED rule, and easily circumvented.

When I want to show one card I wait till the pot is pushed to me, then muck the OTHER card, then show the one I want.

And TDA can blow me with their stupid rule.

-Scott

[ononimo]

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Actually that is the rule.

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Actually, that's NOT the rule ... at least not the one that Denny cited. We're dealing with 2 different rules here.

the rule that applies to the situation cited above is NOT the "show one, show all" rule. it's the rule that states, for a checked or bet and called river:

"1. A player must show all cards in the hand face-up on the table to win any part of the pot." (from Robert's Rules of Poker - The Showdown)

the "show one, show all" rule is completely different and does NOT apply to the situation cited (note the section in bold) -- it applies when a player selectively shows his hole cards to one or some opponents at the table but not others:

"6. Show one, show all. Players are entitled to receive equal access to information about the contents of another player’s hand. After a deal, if cards are shown to another player, every player at the table has a right to see those cards. During a deal, cards that were shown to an active player who might have a further wagering decision on that betting round must immediately be shown to all the other players. If the player who saw the cards is not involved in the deal, or cannot use the information in wagering, the information should be withheld until the betting is over, so it does not affect the normal outcome of the deal. Cards shown to a person who has no more wagering decisions on that betting round, but might use the information on a later betting round, should be shown to the other players at the conclusion of that betting round. If only a portion of the hand has been shown, there is no requirement to show any of the unseen cards. The shown cards are treated as given in the preceding part of this rule. " (also from Robert's Rules of Poker - The Showdown)

Granted, these are live game rules ... if someone can cite different rules for tournaments, corrections are welcome.

[Lloyd]

As I've said before, it depends on the specific tournament's rules. I've seen it both ways and I don't believe it's part of the TDA rules although I've been in tournaments that Matt Savage was running and he enforced the rule to include show one card, show both cards.