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Old 12-14-2005, 12:02 AM
mpfree mpfree is offline
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Default $11: QQ - Dumb push early?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) CP hand converter

Button (t810)
SB (t895)
BB (t815)
UTG (t815)
UTG+1 (t945)
UTG+2 (t660)
Hero (t775)
MP2 (t710)
MP3 (t815)
CO (t760)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t45</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls t45, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t45, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t157.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP3 calls t730, MP3 calls t35.

Turn: (t922.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

River: (t922.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: t922.50

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qc Qd (one pair, queens).
MP3 has 3h Ah (high card, ace).
Button has Ts Th (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins t922.50. </font>

No reads, 4th or 5th hand of the game.

This was my game plan on the flop:
1) Shove if no A or K shows up
2) ~80 bet if an overcard came and shut it down if I get called or raised.

So, my questions are:
1) if the flop are all undercards, if shoving 700+ plus chips optimal or try to extract chips by making 1/2-full pot size bet?

2) If an overcard appears on the flop, still go ahead and make an exploratory bet and shutdown or check fold if we don't have any reads?

Thanks.
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Old 12-14-2005, 12:13 AM
liucipher liucipher is offline
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Default Re: $11: QQ - Dumb push early?

Open shoving that flop is 100% unnecessary. I would push if reraised after I had bet t130-160 or so.

I would bet around the same if a K flopped. I think for an ace I would shade towards the lower end of a t130 c-bet.
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