an angle shoot

[TStoneMBD]

say youre playing in a NL game.

the pot is currently $9000 and the action is to you. you say "i bet 15" without putting chips in the middle. the other guy says "call". can you now tell him he is forced to call either $1500, $15000 or even $15 (if the BB is $15 or less of course)? if this happened where the opponent thought you meant $1500 and you say no i meant $15000 what would the floor rule and is it dependant on the casino youre playing at?

does it become a judgment call by the floorman? some situations are more cut and dry than others. in the situation above the bettor could have legitimately wanted to bet $1500 or $15000. but if the pot is say $1000 and he says bet 15 could he say he meant $15000?

btw to all you playahaters out there im not asking this because i shoot angles, i just want to know.

[AngusThermopyle]

"i bet 15"

$15

Unless the standard at the table (or just your standard) has been for "I bet X" to mean "I bet X hundred" or "I bet X thousand".

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"i bet 15"

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Depends, what are the blinds? If they are 25/50 or something similar (10/20), then 15 could mean 1500. If they are only 2/5, then 15 could mean just that, 15.

I think a better angle is to say "I bet 15" and then when they call and show a better hand you say "I didn't mean 15 dollars, I meant 15 jelly beans."

[AKQJ10]

Conversely, I would assume that most of those who play that high don't make verbal declarations of, "I call" without clarifying how much they're calling. I certainly wouldn't, any more than I would give the winning hand back to the dealer before being pushed the pot. But since I don't play that high I'm just guessing.

[ThinkQuick]

You know robert's has a rule that may apply here. I think he'd question your character..

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10. Because the amount of a wager at big-bet poker has such a wide range, a player who
has taken action based on a gross misunderstanding of the amount wagered needs
some protection. A "call" may be ruled not binding if it is obvious that the player
grossly misunderstood the amount wagered. A bettor should not show down a hand
until the amount put into the pot for a call seems reasonably correct, or it is obvious
that the caller understands the amount wagered. The decision-maker is allowed considerable
discretion in ruling on this type of situation. A possible rule-of-thumb is to
disallow any claim of not understanding the amount wagered if the caller has put
eighty percent or more of that amount into the pot.
Example: On the end, a player puts a $500 chip into the pot and says softly, “Four
hundred.” The opponent puts a $100 chip into the pot and says, “Call.” The bettor
immediately shows the hand. The dealer says, “He bet four hundred.” The caller
says, “Oh, I thought he bet a hundred.” In this case, the recommended ruling normally
is that the bettor had an obligation to not show the hand when the amount put
into the pot was obviously short, and the “call” can be retracted. Note that the character
of each player can be a factor. (Unfortunately, situations can arise at big-bet
poker that are not so clear-cut as this.)

[Percula]

IME if you say "Make it 15" and there is enough money in play that it could mean 1500 or 15,000, no one is calling without saying "15 what?". No dealer worth his or her salt will let "make it 15" stand unclear when it could be 1500 or 15,000.

An example of how this can get really messed up is the 1/3 game at the Wynn. Most people do not easily deal in multiples of 3 and as a result, you will get some people betting in terms of "number of $3 chips", like "make it 15 to go" meaning 15 chips, not $15. And this is dealt with well by most of the dealers there too, as they will question "do you mean chips or dollars?".

BTW that is not a bash on the Wynn 1/3 game, I love it, it is much easier to get someone to call "30 chips" instead of $90 dollars. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

Would the dealer not ask? He/she is keeping track of the action and it's been my experience they always make sure everyone understands the amount being bet. And I've noticed they tend to knock down angle shots.

[ThinkQuick]

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I think a better angle is to say "I bet 15" and then when they call and show a better hand you say "I didn't mean 15 dollars, I meant 15 jelly beans."

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This is really funny.
I played at a table where one Australian guy got everyone into the habit of saying I bet X U.S. Dollars, so this would be hard to pull.

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"i bet 15"

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Depends, what are the blinds? If they are 25/50 or something similar (10/20), then 15 could mean 1500. If they are only 2/5, then 15 could mean just that, 15.

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Come on now, there is $9,000 in the middle of the table. Even assuming a $2/$5 game with enough money on it for this to arise, I don't think you can rule that the bet was $15 into a $9,000 pot unless the player makes it absolutely clear the bet was $15.