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Old 09-20-2005, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: How much of a difference does being suited make HU?

I get about a 5% difference running offsuit versus suited hands:

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461,582,364,672 games 0.300 secs 1,009,590,272 games/sec

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
52.707186 % 50.570% 2.137% { A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s }
47.292814 % 45.156% 2.137% { A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T2o+, 92o+, 82o+, 72o+, 62o+, 52o+, 42o+, 32o }
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Old 09-20-2005, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: How much of a difference does being suited make HU?

Yeah-- sorry I was responding to a 22 vs 77 thing. I agree that suitedness matters a lot more. It helps both in absolute equity as well as postflop play because you can semi-bluff flush draws and what not.
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Old 09-20-2005, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: How much of a difference does being suited make HU?

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I get about a 5% difference running offsuit versus suited hands:



461,582,364,672 games 0.300 secs 1,009,590,272 games/sec
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
52.707186 % 50.570% 2.137% { A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J2s+, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 42s+, 32s }
47.292814 % 45.156% 2.137% { A2o+, K2o+, Q2o+, J2o+, T2o+, 92o+, 82o+, 72o+, 62o+, 52o+, 42o+, 32o }
</pre><hr />

- Andrew

www.pokerstove.com

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Nice hardware! [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]
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Old 09-20-2005, 03:38 PM
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Default Re: How much of a difference does being suited make HU?

I defend more Kings, Queens, Jacks etc aswell.

As far as I reember itīs 8.1:1 to flop a flushdraw (might have been 9.1 though, which explains why tstone thinks itīs 10%).

Sometimes a 3flush will be enough to change a fold to a play aswell.
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Old 09-20-2005, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: How much of a difference does being suited make HU?

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461,582,364,672 games 0.300 secs 1,009,590,272 games/sec

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Nice hardware! [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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Actually, I've been working on the heads-up evaluator optimizations. It'll be included in the next release. Probably a couple of months away yet.

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Old 09-20-2005, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: How much of a difference does being suited make HU?

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Actually, I've been working on the heads-up evaluator optimizations. It'll be included in the next release. Probably a couple of months away yet.

- Andrew

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Wow. So you're the man behind PokerStove. Thank you!
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Old 09-20-2005, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: How much of a difference does being suited make HU?

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461,582,364,672 games 0.300 secs 1,009,590,272 games/sec

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Nice hardware! [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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Actually, I've been working on the heads-up evaluator optimizations. It'll be included in the next release. Probably a couple of months away yet.

- Andrew

www.pokerstove.com

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Wow, awesome.
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Old 09-24-2005, 07:21 AM
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Default Re: How much of a difference does being suited make HU?

i am quite clueless on what to defend my blinds with versus raises from various positions. i use a blanket defense of any two suited card, any pair, and any two cards 9 or higher from the big blind (from the sb i three bet w A7s, ATo, KTs, KJo, and 77+ versus a lone raiser) no matter from which position the raise came. can someone assist me as to the best way to defend my blinds from various positional raises in general terms versus a typical player (ie not being player read specific). thanks.
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Old 09-24-2005, 07:33 AM
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Default Re: How much of a difference does being suited make HU?

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Against a TAG UTG raise, the difference between 77 and 22 is negligable.

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Basically you're saying that 22 is worse because it's counterfeited more often?
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Old 09-24-2005, 12:21 PM
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Default Re: How much of a difference does being suited make HU?

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Against a TAG UTG raise, the difference between 77 and 22 is negligable.

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Basically you're saying that 22 is worse because it's counterfeited more often?

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Yeah, since the utg raiser is unlikely to have cards lower than a 7, the only differences are:
-counterfeiting
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-action when you hit a set

(I think this is what you were saying)
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