Stinking Donk Re-raise from the button!

Hand converter site is down, so you get the sloppy old hand history. Villain always min raises when he raises, so it seems, and then bets the flop pretty large. He hasn't shown down any hands, so I have no idea what this could mean. Tell me if I should flop preflop to this or on the flop or what. I tried to set up a blocking bet on the turn, but he wasn't going for it. The thing about these minraises is that they invite weaker hands into the pot, but when I look at the pot odds with QJo I think Harrington would say to call.

***** Hand History for Game 3199705221 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18270896) - Wed Dec 14 12:56:38 EST 2005
Table Multi-Table(539355) Table 18 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Decoy754 (2480)
Seat 2: baddawg17 (1620)
Seat 3: allinryou (635)
Seat 4: FGators26 (1045)
Seat 5: eugenehatin (765)
Seat 6: ScorchSizzle (720)
Seat 7: Hertzi111 (2305)
Seat 8: kinghog111 (895)
Seat 9: tbooes (3350)
Seat 10: NoLimit4Me1 (835)
allinryou posts small blind (15)
FGators26 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FGators26 [ Qh, Js ]
eugenehatin calls (30)
ScorchSizzle folds.
Hertzi111 folds.
kinghog111 folds.
tbooes folds.
NoLimit4Me1 folds.
Decoy754 folds.
baddawg17 raises (60) to 60
allinryou folds.
FGators26 calls (30)
eugenehatin calls (30)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 7h, Qs ]
FGators26 checks.
eugenehatin checks.
baddawg17 bets (125)
FGators26 calls (125)
eugenehatin folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ts ]
FGators26 bets (150)
baddawg17 raises (300) to 300

[jcm4ccc]

I think the flop is where you got into trouble with this hand. It's a weak holding, and you want to know where you stand as cheap as possible. By checking and then calling the button's bet, you have no clue whether he has a better kicker or is just trying to steal the pot. The pot also increases in size, so it's difficult to make a move other than all-in. I would have led out on the flop.

On the turn, it's very hard to know. I would fold and give myself hell for misplaying the flop.

Yeah, that's what I did. Do you fold this preflop? I just can't see laying it down, but then these types of flops screw me. What is a good bet size to lead out on the flop? 125 like villain did? Muck it if he raises?

[jcm4ccc]

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Yeah, that's what I did. Do you fold this preflop? I just can't see laying it down, but then these types of flops screw me. What is a good bet size to lead out on the flop? 125 like villain did? Muck it if he raises?

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Preflop call is fine. The pot has 195 (I believe), so leading out for 125 on the flop is a good bet. Keep it small, but large enough that it's believable (a bet of 100 would look too weak, I think). You'll have to fold to a reraise, which unfortunately means that the villian can steal it from you if he's working on a draw.

Let's say you bet 125, and he calls. The pot is now 445. You want to keep the pot small, but also make the villian pay if he is working on a draw. So bet out something like 175, maybe 200.

You still got the information you needed by check calling and leading the turn. Your rarely ahead here on the turn and are drawing to 3-5 outs, Fold.

Call the turn bet. Check/call river.

[Dave D]

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Hand converter site is down, so you get the sloppy old hand history. Villain always min raises when he raises, so it seems, and then bets the flop pretty large. He hasn't shown down any hands, so I have no idea what this could mean. Tell me if I should flop preflop to this or on the flop or what. I tried to set up a blocking bet on the turn, but he wasn't going for it. The thing about these minraises is that they invite weaker hands into the pot, but when I look at the pot odds with QJo I think Harrington would say to call.

***** Hand History for Game 3199705221 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18270896) - Wed Dec 14 12:56:38 EST 2005
Table Multi-Table(539355) Table 18 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Decoy754 (2480)
Seat 2: baddawg17 (1620)
Seat 3: allinryou (635)
Seat 4: FGators26 (1045)
Seat 5: eugenehatin (765)
Seat 6: ScorchSizzle (720)
Seat 7: Hertzi111 (2305)
Seat 8: kinghog111 (895)
Seat 9: tbooes (3350)
Seat 10: NoLimit4Me1 (835)
allinryou posts small blind (15)
FGators26 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to FGators26 [ Qh, Js ]
eugenehatin calls (30)
ScorchSizzle folds.
Hertzi111 folds.
kinghog111 folds.
tbooes folds.
NoLimit4Me1 folds.
Decoy754 folds.
baddawg17 raises (60) to 60
allinryou folds.
FGators26 calls (30)
eugenehatin calls (30)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 7h, Qs ]
FGators26 checks.
eugenehatin checks.
baddawg17 bets (125)
FGators26 calls (125)
eugenehatin folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ts ]
FGators26 bets (150)
baddawg17 raises (300) to 300

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Site/buy in matters here.

I smell Aces or Kings. I'm not usually one to get paranoid, but the min raise PF is the biggest tell of a high pocket pair (and usually not AK) I know of.

Him min raising you on the turn also screams he knows he has you beat. It's dumb, but to me it usually means he has a monster. He wants you to call/raise him.

I'd have checked/called this down if villians betting had been reasonable.

Dave,

It's a $22 on Party. He was on the button. And he was the first one in the pot with a raise, so I guess his hand could be huge. I figured two pair on the turn, but aces or kings could be possible.

[suckbot]

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I smell Aces or Kings. I'm not usually one to get paranoid, but the min raise PF is the biggest tell of a high pocket pair (and usually not AK) I know of.

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I really need to keep that in mind. I missed that small bet tell last night and crashed in glorious fashion late in a tourney after leading in chips for a long time. (my poorly played hand posted)

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Yeah, that's what I did. Do you fold this preflop? I just can't see laying it down, but then these types of flops screw me. What is a good bet size to lead out on the flop? 125 like villain did? Muck it if he raises?

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I really can't see folding pf to a min raise here, but a good c-bet is 40-60% of the pot. Maybe a probe bet of 20% of the pot here?