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#11
10-06-2005, 02:07 PM
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Re: Argueing with the floor about time collection
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Jesus, let the house do their job and just play cards. Why must there always be 1 or 2 busybodies at every table? [/ QUOTE ] Why must their be people who think they don't have to pay time? I pay time, and I get it out there promptly. Why do people try to avoid it unless they are, by the rules, entitled to avoid it? The house does need to make money so they keep spreading the games. If people figure out how to avoid the time charge, then the house makes less money. Which means the house will jack the time charge or just remove a few tables and throw in slots since those actually make some money. That hurts me in the long run. Just pay yer time and shut up, ya nits. Regards, T 
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#12
10-06-2005, 02:10 PM
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Re: Argueing with the floor about time collection
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It's simple. Three clear points. One - pot isn't being raked. So when guys don't pay time and you do, they're doing more than beating the house. They're making a sucker out of you because they can win pots totally cost free while you're paying to play it. [/ QUOTE ] You're wrong. It doesn't effect rational behavior on either end for what SHOULD be obvious reasons. You're being a bitter piece of [censored] if you cause a stink over this. The floor managers don't care. If you're that concerned about the integrity of the casino rules, you should contact upper management later and alarm them that (shock) ONE OF THE PIT BOSSES DIDNT COLLECT TWO GUYS' SESSION FEE!! You're neither in a position to demand anything, nor are you effected by the decision in any material way. You're just a bitter, sad mother fucker is all. [ QUOTE ] The house does need to make money so they keep spreading the games. If people figure out how to avoid the time charge, then the house makes less money. Which means the house will jack the time charge or just remove a few tables and throw in slots since those actually make some money. That hurts me in the long run. [/ QUOTE ] Is that a [censored] joke? Why dont you complain about people not toking the crew for their fair share. When the aggregate level of "tokes" decline, labour will demand a proportionately higher wages and the increased cost to the casino may be transferred to players in the form of higher session fees. Oh [censored].
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#13
10-06-2005, 02:12 PM
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Re: Argueing with the floor about time collection
I AM management, newbie. I'm a floorman. I've also been a player, dealer and floorman since long before you became a "newbie" with 44 posts. So I see this problem from all perspectives, not just that of a player.
Giving regulars special treatment, like allowing their angle shot lies like "I paid at the other table" to fly, is flat out terrible. While I might not personally say anything if I was a player in the game, I can't blame anyone else who chooses to be offended by lopsided treatment standards of tourists and regulars, or by floormen who allow obviously weak angle shots to fly. What's going to happen if there's a REAL decision to be made with this guy's buddies in the pot? Who's going to get the decision? al
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#14
10-06-2005, 02:18 PM
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Re: Argueing with the floor about time collection
Al -- I won't say anything about kicking you this time, but I am surprised that you agree with the OP.
The floor screwed up in a way that has no direct effect on the game and another player should not intervene to protect the house. This is one case where a floor's mistake benefits one (or two) players, but hurts nobody. (1) The fact that another player is given a break on time for a 1/2 hour does not make you a sucker. If so, you are a sucker everytime you sit in a room that has props. (2) There are often different sets of rules for different patrons in the entertainment industries. At a restaurant, if you get a free bottle of wine does not mean that every other table is entitled to a free bottle. When you go to a show you may pay full price or get a discount or get comped. (3) I agree that customer relations is important -- but if a screw up benefits one player, you should not necessarily be entitled to the same benefit. At Home Depot -- if the cashier gives the customer in front of you an extra $10 in change, are you entitled to an extra $10? Of course not. While it is best to treat every player the same in a perfect world, this world is far from perfect. Next time you might benefit from an error while the guy next to you doesn't. If you are not being cheated by the error, you let it slide.
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#15
10-06-2005, 02:21 PM
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Re: Argueing with the floor about time collection
It really doesnt matter what position you hold elsewhere. You have no personal interest vested in the outcome of whether they pay their session fee.
They're angle shooting against the casino, not you, and the casino already realized what happened and isn't concerned. Do you really think you have the authority to overule management? Their word is final and binding. If they did change their mind, it's to shut you up, not because they genuinely care about what you're saying. You represent the spirit of the annoying old man who people are praying will die already. Who the hell calls people "newbies"? What relationship does the number of posts someone has on an internet forum have with whether or not they're right? You're wrong, and you have more posts than I'll likely ever have.
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#16
10-06-2005, 02:25 PM
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Re: Argueing with the floor about time collection
I'm well aware of your employment. When I said "you're a player" it was not directed at you in particular, rather the "you" referes to the whining/bitching player in this example. My point stands -- as a player, worry about playing the game, not about how badly management is f-cking things up. Given your position you are obviously biased on this issue. I think you're also looking at things from the wrong perspective. The issue here is not whether the house did or did not make a mistake -- the issue is whether or not it's the duty of the player to hold up the game and bitch about something that has no effect on him whatsoever.
Oh, and your use of my newbie status as an attempt to berate me or challenge my credibility is laughable and quite juvenile. What, do I have to get 1000 posts under my belt before I can hang with the big boys? Ha ha ha ...
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#17
10-06-2005, 02:27 PM
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Re: Argueing with the floor about time collection
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The house does need to make money so they keep spreading the games. If people figure out how to avoid the time charge, then the house makes less money. Which means the house will jack the time charge or just remove a few tables and throw in slots since those actually make some money. That hurts me in the long run. [/ QUOTE ] That's a stretch. Not collecting $7 bucks on one occasion from two players because they might have already paid is a long way from the situation you described. Management would have to be a complete joke for that to happen.
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#18
10-06-2005, 02:43 PM
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Re: Argueing with the floor about time collection
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Who the hell calls people "newbies"? [/ QUOTE ] Well, with 44 posts, his status is "newbie." It'd be the same as if I called you, with your 56 posts, "journeyman." The point I was making was that he jumped to a conclusion regarding me, which was false. Learn a little about who you're conversing with and maybe you'll appreciate their point of view a little better than you thought. In addition, I already responded in another post in this thread that I personally probably wouldn't say a word if this happened to me, but that the OP did in fact have a point, and I wouldn't blame him for speaking up. As someone who's involved in decisions, disputes, and managerial issues every day, I tend to shut my mouth and let whatever happens happen when I am in another house, regardless of what my opinion might be on the matter, or what my decision might be in the same situation. But this is 2+2, and we debate such things here, thus my opinion is voiced. al
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#19
10-06-2005, 02:47 PM
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Re: Argueing with the floor about time collection
This post...
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...c=#Post3596663 has the answers you seek. I don't want to type it all out twice. It's in this thread if you're too lazy to click on the link, so you'll probably read it anyhow. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] al
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#20
10-06-2005, 02:49 PM
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Re: Argueing with the floor about time collection
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[ QUOTE ] Failure to collect their time is a major violation of the floor's duty to protect the house's drop. If upper management or surveillance spotted this debacle, I wouldn't be surprised if the floor got fired over it. [/ QUOTE ] But you're not management. You're a player. So why would you give a f-ck whether or not they f-cked themselves over for 14 bucks? Jesus, let the house do their job and just play cards. Why must there always be 1 or 2 busybodies at every table? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, and clueless busybodies at that. Seems oftentimes that the ones who scream the loudest are also the most clueless.
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