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05-13-2005, 04:44 PM
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Re: This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here
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I really can't believe it either! Not too many marketing or business majors out there it appears. [/ QUOTE ] no, just a bunch of armchair CEO's who beleive they have all the needed information and know exactly what is best for Empire. We all know Party (and skins) bonuses are by far the easiest to clear. We know they are the largest player in the market right now, and have been for some time. Obviously they realize there is a problem with some people abusing their bonus (thus the bans). it's vaguely possible that someone somewhere in this huge highly profitable company mentioned in passing that they could up the bonus requirements instead. since they chose to ban whores and not change the bonuses, i'd assume they have a legitimate business reason to do so. banning people they lose money from and pissing off others who are most likely whoring bonuses from 4 skins with 3 accounts on each probably doesn't bother them much. - TeamDonkey, arm chair CEO in-training 
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#2
05-13-2005, 08:19 PM
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Re: This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here
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I'm starting to get worried that PP and skins have many players brainwashed into thinking they can do whatever the hell they want to and players must just go along with it or get banned. [/ QUOTE ] Actually they can do whatever they want and ban anyone who doesn't go along. I would have thought that was abundently clear by now.
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#3
05-14-2005, 05:30 PM
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Re: This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here
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Actually they can do whatever they want and ban anyone who doesn't go along. I would have thought that was abundently clear by now. [/ QUOTE ] I should re-phrase that I suppose. I meant players seem to think the sites can do whatever they want and they go along with it without any repurcussion. As if there is nothing they can do about it, so why try. There IS something that can be done about it! Take the business elsewhere and if enough people do it, there will be no more account banning without cause.
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#4
05-14-2005, 08:32 PM
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Re: This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here
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[ QUOTE ] Actually they can do whatever they want and ban anyone who doesn't go along. I would have thought that was abundently clear by now. [/ QUOTE ] I should re-phrase that I suppose. I meant players seem to think the sites can do whatever they want and they go along with it without any repurcussion. As if there is nothing they can do about it, so why try. There IS something that can be done about it! Take the business elsewhere and if enough people do it, there will be no more account banning without cause. [/ QUOTE ] This requires mass consciousness though, and generally, when you get that many people fired up about a cause, most of them still don't understand why, they are just along for the ride. I doubt any Party Skin has to worry about a mass instant defection, the only players that would consider that are ones Party does not care that much about. Party's concern should be on the up and comings, that some pop-culture event will become associated with on of these runner up sites and that would provide the momentum to surpass Party etal in number of pay players. Vern
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#5
05-13-2005, 09:23 PM
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Re: This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here
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[ QUOTE ] Who could possibly vote that this is good business policy? The far better solution... [/ QUOTE ] 60% of the voters so far. I really can't believe it either! Not too many marketing or business majors out there it appears... I'm starting to get worried that PP and skins have many players brainwashed... [/ QUOTE ] cute, put up a "poll," supposedly to get feedback, and then denigrate those who respond to it differently than what you wanted to hear. classy!
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#6
05-13-2005, 04:11 PM
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Re: This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here
how much do you think that will cost Empire in infrastructure changes? a banning costs them zero except for bad customer relations. I will say that someone estimated that their losses from that would be less than the cost to upgrade infrastructure.
we are all biased in our opinions (well not me, I am a regular there) so our opinions aren't going to objectively represent what is actually good business practice from an EV standpoint, IMO.
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#7
05-13-2005, 04:12 PM
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Re: This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here
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Who could possibly vote that this is good business policy? The far better solution is to restrict reload bonuses to regular players. [/ QUOTE ] Re-load bonuses are not to reward long term players as much as attract fresh blood, so offering one only to those that play alot, would be a waste, from a business POV, unless it was perceived by the business as a form of customer retention. The biggest target for re-load bonuses is those customers that have stopped playing a site, to attract them back. That is why I think a hands per $ requirement should be based on your MGR for a time period, like the last 6 months. Then if all you do is play re-load bonuses, the next bonus would require you to play more hands, and the next one more after that, but if you were just some player who opened an account last summer and forgot about, the re-load would not be that hard to clear, and therefor attractive anough to get you back and hopefully enjoying the site enough to stay. This also has the effect of rewarding long terms players for retention by offering them the same bonuses with easy clearning requirements since they are +MGR over the time period.
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#8
05-13-2005, 03:02 PM
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Re: This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here
I agree with most of what you say, after skimming through it, as it's basically exactly what I've been saying here in a few posts.
Most of what I've read to the contrary has been completely sophomoric or so logically flawed that it's not worth much consideration. About the only thing I'll give credence to is the notion that it's just not worth worrying about, there are plenty of better sites that can absorb people who were banned. It might be better just to move on.
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#9
05-13-2005, 03:05 PM
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Re: This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here
yes it's -ev for them, for player that are actually informed about the poker world, which is what... 10 % ?
One thing to think about : If someone was to suck you up like that, how would you react? I know it's sucks for player, but it is understandable.
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#10
05-13-2005, 03:05 PM
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Re: This needs to be settled, vote on Empire here
Honestly, I say who cares.
Sure, the people who got banned will be annoyed for a little about the 100 bucks a month they are losing out on, but the rest are now going to play more often so they don't lose out on that potential bonus. This is the same thing that online Casino's have been doing for a while because of bonus-abuse. Of course, now everyone is up in arms because it is touching a little closer to home for them, but really we should have seen this coming. So, scratch one site off of your list of places to whore and you are still left with a tablet full of bonus's that you can chase elsewhere. As the months go on the bonus's have been getting less juicy from the party network anyways. 5x to 7x and 10x (and 400x in the case of multipoker). It's going to even itself out to the point that the bonus's on the party network are going to more closely resemble the bonus's from everywhere else (or at least that is how it appears to be trending), so whore it while you can.
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