Set, spade, spade, spade, spade

bennyk · #1 08-08-2004, 08:52 PM

Wondering about the line on this set.
BB is average (for UB), which means much more reasonable than you party people are used to. He may have been trying to push a little, because I had recently won a few hands without showdowns.

Ultimate Bet 0.50/1 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, BB checks,

Flop: (3.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, CO folds, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (11.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB
Main Pot: 13.75 BB, between BB and Hero.

Happy?
bk

katzenmoyer · #2 08-08-2004, 11:16 PM

I think you are beat, but you played the hand right.

papawawa · #3 08-09-2004, 01:21 PM

Is it right to raise the turn heads up when the 3rd spade hits? Considering the action on the flop, I would call this down expecting to see a flush. Or no?

chief444 · #4 08-09-2004, 01:30 PM

Finally a post from you that I agree with. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]I also play this the same.

CLC · #5 08-09-2004, 02:13 PM

I don't think I would 3-bet the turn. Call me chicken, but I think he made his flush. I would be praying for my boat to come in.

The 4th spade hurts, but I would call down though. Could be lieing.

dfscott · #6 08-09-2004, 04:06 PM

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I don't think I would 3-bet the turn. Call me chicken, but I think he made his flush. I would be praying for my boat to come in.

The 4th spade hurts, but I would call down though. Could be lieing.

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He only raised the turn, which I think is the right play. You need to raise the turn to make him prove he has the flush. But even when you're three-bet, you have to call to try and fill up.

CLC · #7 08-09-2004, 04:23 PM

My error, you are right. What I meant was I wouldn't raise the turn. Just call down.

tardigrade · #8 08-09-2004, 04:54 PM

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He only raised the turn, which I think is the right play. You need to raise the turn to make him prove he has the flush.

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I think he's raising for value on the turn. If he's raising for information to see if he has a flush, then why call the river when he doesn't fill up? I think a turn raise has to be motivated purely by value, since he can't reasonably change the way he plays it based on any info he gets from a 3-bet.

dfscott · #9 08-09-2004, 04:56 PM

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He only raised the turn, which I think is the right play. You need to raise the turn to make him prove he has the flush.

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I think he's raising for value on the turn. If he's raising for information to see if he has a flush, then why call the river when he doesn't fill up? I think a turn raise has to be motivated purely by value, since he can't reasonably change the way he plays it based on any info he gets from a 3-bet.

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True I didn't mean to imply that this was one of those "raise for information" plays. It's just that you have to consider that you might not have the best hand once you're 3-bet.