AKs UI monster pot, reverse domination

thesharpie · #1 09-09-2005, 06:36 PM

I usually have fairly crappy table selection but I happened to stumble across this very nice table. I only need about 2 outs to carry on each street, about how many outs would you give me?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero raises, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (15.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls

istewart · #2 09-09-2005, 06:39 PM

Good. I'd give you about 4 outs maybe. If you spike an ace or a king you take down a huge pot quite frequently.

Nice table.

Pylos · #3 09-09-2005, 06:39 PM

It's unlikely that they are holding AQ unless they are passive. There is a smal chance that the button could hold KQ, however.

I would say considering that you have all 3 of your A outs, and mabye 1.5 more for the K hitting considering you may be against KQ. 4.5ish total.

numeri · #4 09-09-2005, 06:42 PM

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It's unlikely that they are holding AQ unless they are passive. There is a smal chance that the button could hold KQ, however.

I would say considering that you have all 3 of your A outs, and mabye 1.5 more for the K hitting considering you may be against KQ. 4.5ish total.

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Why couldn't button have AQ or KQ? It seems like a very reasonable hand in that position.

Isura · #5 09-09-2005, 06:43 PM

You have less than 3 outs. I'd fold the turn.

istewart · #6 09-09-2005, 06:46 PM

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You have less than 3 outs. I'd fold the turn.

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Even if you figure this, which I think is underestimating a bit, he's getting 20.5:1.

thesharpie · #7 09-09-2005, 06:47 PM

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You have less than 3 outs. I'd fold the turn.

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But more than 2, right? Is it because we might end up calling 2BB on the river when we hit and are no good?

Nick C · #8 09-10-2005, 04:59 AM

How could seven players see the turn on that board?

I have no idea what's going on, and you may even be drawing dead versus the field (if not versus Button specifically).

But I wouldn't fold yet.

benneh · #9 09-10-2005, 05:01 AM

i give you 3 outs, and thats being pretty generous I think.

#10 09-10-2005, 05:04 AM

this is a gross hand. On one hand, its very likely your hand will be good if you hit a pair considering the table. But then again, logic would say that no way your hand is good. I would probably go into the fetal position and cry if i was in your shoes.