Multi-way 10/20 ps, 500bb stacks

durrrr · #1 10-12-2005, 06:00 AM

Button is IMO the best player on stars. He is very very good, and very very LAG. UTG is fairly good, semi-solid (but still a slight bit laggy).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20 BB (7 handed)

BB ($2973)
UTG ($8708)
Hero ($13087.40)
MP2 ($1980)
CO ($1735)
Button ($9420)
SB ($1837)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $20, Hero raises to $80, 2 folds, Button calls $80, 2 folds, UTG calls $60.

Flop: ($270) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $180, Button calls $180, UTG calls $180.

Turn: ($810) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $620, Button calls $620, UTG raises to $2200,

Hero pukes, and?

Ulysses · #2 10-12-2005, 06:19 AM

Is UTG capable of playing Q5s here?

durrrr · #3 10-12-2005, 06:25 AM

The problem is that i really don't know... Q5s i highly doubt, Q9/8s, Axs, low sc's, low pps yes. However most of the time, i'd expect a raise from the low pp's, and the higher suited aces (altho i'm not sure). Button's hand shouldn't be ruled out just because he called the first bet either- although its significantly less likely he has a higher flush since he did just call (but still possible for sure).

Vavavoom · #4 10-12-2005, 06:30 AM

Don't u ever expect to see AQo here...?
With either A or Q being a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]...?

I would fold this spot....As essentially u could be drawing to the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] only....

Ulysses · #5 10-12-2005, 06:35 AM

Man, this one is tough. I mean, the obvious answer of course is that UTG looks like he has Axs, so toss it. But, start putting the two guys on hands, and it maybe is not quite so easy. If you let the guy have crap suited Queens, the laydown becomes far easier. But it looks like you pretty much eliminated Q-high flush for him. So, we're down to nuts or worse than you, it seems. Yuck. F it, man, just do whatever and spike 9d.

durrrr · #6 10-12-2005, 06:43 AM

there are perhaps 5 exact hands UTG could have which beat me (a2-a6) I'd expect his other hands which beat me to raise preflop. Button has a hand he really really likes to call my turn bet (I'd say at least TP + good diamond, and this may be too loose). Also he would at least think about pushing Ad Qx if i calld (as a value-bluff of sorts), however i think i would still need to fold if i called and he pushd (as i don't think i have equity vs. his range). I would expect button to reraise AQd preflop most of the time, the other suited aces could be played exactly the same way (although he would usually raise my turn bet). I was more lost here than i think i have ever been in a hand before in my life.

If I had 1580 left i am sure that my call would be quite a bit +EV (i do have an out!) Here im lost. My action, and results, to follow (hopefully in a few days i think this 1 should generate some discussion).

Edited to not include the 8d in villain's hands [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Ulysses · #7 10-12-2005, 06:45 AM

Note that you hold the 8, and Q9d I really think is likely to play faster on the flop to build a pot with these stacks.

Ulysses · #8 10-12-2005, 06:46 AM

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(i do have an out!)

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You hope! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Ulysses · #9 10-12-2005, 06:55 AM

Of course, the likelihood of him having one of those exact 5 hands skyrockets once he checkraises. So now, the question is, does button hold Ad?

bugstud · #10 10-12-2005, 07:07 AM

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Of course, the likelihood of him having one of those exact 5 hands skyrockets once he checkraises. So now, the question is, does button hold Ad?

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I'm having a hard time working out button's hand here.