KK uncertainty (do I value bet?)

chris_a · #1 01-13-2005, 01:11 PM

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB (Super-LAG) calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Super-LAG checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, Super-LAG 3-bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Super-LAG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Super-LAG raises, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

River: (15.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Super-LAG checks, Hero...?

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Do I value bet?

He's very loose and would easily complete my raise with almost anything in the BB, so a 5 is not at all unlikely for him.

meanjean · #2 01-13-2005, 01:12 PM

I'll go first.

Yup

DMBFan23 · #3 01-13-2005, 01:15 PM

yeah, and you should also cap the flop.

TwoShedsJackson · #4 01-13-2005, 01:16 PM

Yes - he could easily call your raise with a 5, but with the two 5s on board he very easily might not have one. Could have a 2 or a J or A9o or any other hand you beat.

I would never fold an overpair KK at the microlimits on this board and HU, bet, if he raises, call.

chris_a · #5 01-13-2005, 01:18 PM

Against him folding would not even be a consideration if he raised me here. He would easily raise me on every street with AJo here.

jay1313 · #6 01-13-2005, 01:18 PM

Agree

chris_a · #7 01-13-2005, 01:30 PM

He had J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and I felt like an idiot for not betting him. How often do you think I'm ahead here though? This guy didn't seem to know that you can extract value from your opponent without check-raising, so he seemed to like to check-raise when he had a strong hand on almost every street (against a preflop raiser).

I expected the [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] draw, but not J's and 5's.

TwoShedsJackson · #8 01-13-2005, 01:37 PM

You're going to be ahead more than enough for a value bet, that's for sure - you already had a hand preflop, he has to connect with some part of the board with the trash he decideds to play.

The only time it would even cross my mind to fold is if there was four to a straight or flush on board and even then I'm rarely folding for one bet in a 10-15BB pot.

Beavis68 · #9 01-13-2005, 02:17 PM

if you are going to bet the river after he already check-raised once, should you cap the turn?

DMBFan23 · #10 01-13-2005, 02:22 PM

I think the key is that we were checked to on the river; if he bet into me on the river I would personally only call.