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Old 07-23-2005, 11:55 PM
curtains curtains is offline
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If all your opponents started the tournament with 995 and you began with 1045, how many points would you expect your ROI to go up?
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Old 07-23-2005, 11:56 PM
nate_king1 nate_king1 is offline
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Had to Edit-
ROI is constantly changing!Wouldn't effect your ROI unless your a total fish.
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Old 07-23-2005, 11:57 PM
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i dont like you, you made me scroll over to the side, and i think it would raise it about .1%
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Old 07-24-2005, 12:04 AM
ClaytonN ClaytonN is offline
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I would have to say easily less than 1%. The only real benefit out of having this amount of chips would not be having 50 more chips than the opposition, but having 50 chips remaining should you be unfortunate and double someone else up, and then come back to finish ITM.
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Old 07-24-2005, 12:05 AM
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i think this is why curtains ROI is so high. he keeps an extra 50 chip in his pocket
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Old 07-24-2005, 12:17 AM
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The only real benefit out of having this amount of chips would not be having 50 more chips than the opposition, but having 50 chips remaining should you be unfortunate and double someone else up, and then come back to finish ITM.

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i disagree here. 50 more chips is 50 more chips regardless of how it helps the player. maybe it becomes 100 chips down the road through a double up, or maybe it just serves as a buffer from the blinds until the player picks up a hand. truly these instances have more value than the times when the player doubles someone else up (should be much less likely than the first two examples) and then goes on to finish in the money from 50 chips (even less likely).

i agree though, that the increase in roi would be quite negligible... probably in the tenth of a percent range... this would of course depend on the player's style to some degree as well.

do you have an answer curtains??
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Old 07-24-2005, 12:29 AM
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Curtains, that's really weird that you made this post. The other day after getting into a discussion with Durron regarding a hand, I got to thinking about another similar question: Would I take less chips if I could have a corresponding discount in the buy-in?

Obviously this is all ICM related. I think that I would do better ($ wise) buying in at a discount for less chips than I would paying a premium for more chips, though I think that most posters would take the opposite approach.

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Old 07-24-2005, 12:29 AM
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This is a theoretical question, and I am sure we could sit here and argue over the correct anwser in math for hours. However I believe it is very safe to say that in reality, there is a 0% ROI change due to the 5% increase in stack size.

This is similar to asking "If I win the first hand, and I gain 45 chips, do my chances of winning the SNG get higher?"
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Old 07-24-2005, 12:33 AM
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This is similar to asking "If I win the first hand, and I gain 45 chips, do my chances of winning the SNG get higher?"


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And the answer to this question is yes.
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Old 07-24-2005, 12:34 AM
Nick B. Nick B. is offline
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If all your opponents started the tournament with 995 and you began with 1045, how many points would you expect your ROI to go up?

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I think that varies greatly by how good the player is. For a breakeven player it probably won't matter, but for somebody with a 20% ROI it would probably be much more significant.
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