10/20 on the wrong end of the screwplay - J7o

[Subfallen]

what would flawless_victory do??

3-BET THAT DUMB SLUT

or fold, whatever

[TStoneMBD]

yah i really disagree with 3 betting the turn because people who make screwplay semibluffs on the turn here are almost certainly betting the river.

there are also going to be times when you 3bet the turn and he caps it forcing you to fold a clean 5 outter or he caps his screwplay bluff. i rarely trust a person who makes a screwplay unless i have a reason to because people who make screwplays have a much higher likelihood of being a total donkey then the average player.

[Wynton]

If all those answers don't convince you that calling down was best, Surf, consider this: I also would have folded.

[danzasmack]

I don't like a fold here. I think villain makes this play with hands like 58, 68, 78 or other OESD w/pair. Could be a semibluff on a flush draw. I just think, like some other posters have said, that calling down here is +EV.

[cartman]

I will stand corrected, because the call down camp is a pretty solid bunch, but when I read the original post it looked like a clear fold to me. Weird lines historically baffle me, but this one looks like two pair or better--sometimes from the flop, but I think more often he bet the flop with a draw or a small pair and made a straight, two pair, or set on the turn.

Cartman

[DeathDonkey]

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people who make screwplays have a much higher likelihood of being a total donkey then the average player.

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Yep, where's NLSoldier to confirm this. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

Is this the same guy?> damn hes aggressive...
Im prob calling turn, river and making a great note, just because hes CR way to often...is the CR bluff possible since he knows your folding to his prior cr?

[gaming_mouse]

If this guy would complete with almost anything, then there are a lot more hands that make either a flush or OESD than there are hands that beat you.

So if he'd semibluff here, and I think he would, I like calling down.

3-betting the turn is interesting, but at 10/20 i've seen cap bluffs/semibluffs somewhat often so far, and calling down after a cap is bad. so i think just calldown.

[spydog]

I would 3-bet this turn and fold to a cap with the intention of taking a free showdown. I'm not 3-betting many turns and I usually have the goods when I do, so I'm not worried about him cap-(semi)bluffing me in the future because it will be highly -EV for him when he does. In fact, I want to show this down after 3-betting the turn because he might cap me more light on the turn in the future.

If he's on air with his screwplay then 3-betting can give him a chance to fold a hand he shouldn't. Plus, 3-betting also allows us to get an extra bet when we improve if we are up against Qx/6x/PP type hand.