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Old 02-10-2004, 06:13 PM
t_perkin t_perkin is offline
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Default ABSOLUTE PROOF: Todays 2+2 SnG at PokerStars

Ok here is my report from todays 2+2 SnG. If some of these hands are not complete scientific, incontrivertible proof that we are using pattern maps then I don't know what is:

CrisBrown first one out - AQ beaten by 77 on a A7x flop.

shub raises to 90, spike_tt makes it 200. unknown calls.
Flop comes with an ATx Spike moves in, kieron (unknown) calls. Spike has AK, Kieron has AQ. All stands up. Shub stands clear

Once again shub raises to 90 stoneii raises to 300 this time. Shub moves in, stoneii calls. Shub shows QQ, stoneii has the rockets. Extra Rocket comes on the turn to confirm things.

A lot of money shifts around between the two remaining unknowns

DrPhysic fails to convince anyone [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] and loses a lot to a few bigger bullies than he is. (namely me and an orrjan - using our patternmaps)

Physic makes a comeback by playing JJ as a small bet reraise against McMelch who takes the bait. There was an A on the flop tho.. but the Doc holds on

McMelchior takes a nice pot with 44 that teams up on the flop against unknown and DrPhysic. Doc gives up again leaving him with T250

The doc and McMelch both bow out to stoneii when he gets a nice little flush, slightly bigger than McMelch's.

Spike TT loses to a straight

Down to the final table.....

I all but take out PrayingMantis when my KK takes down against his JJ

He leaves one hand later

two hands later I double up again when my KK beats MobyDick's AKs - Sorry Moby

Stoneii loses with QQ against an orrjans JKo K hits on the turn - pattern map is correct again....

orrjan has 8000. I have 3.3k, hedged(random) has 3.8k, MobyDick has 2.6, HeyRocker has 2.8, iller(random) has 1.7, stoneii 2.6k, PokerJon 1.5.

Stoneii goes out with a straight against orrjans flush. He got the money in on the turn and orrjan needed the river and got it. Hard luck stoneii. Pattern map succeeds again....

iller takes a chunk of orrjan when TJs hits a T to beat QKo

PokerJon has been doing nothing but move in all night, and Moby is annoyed, calls with AQ only to face AK, niether hit a thing and Moby is down to 900, PokerJon is up to 4000.

I pick up quite a few pots PF, they look like steals but some are are not.

Poker Jon almost annihlates orrjan with trip JJJ.

Orrjan lives with J2 which two pairs on the flop to hold off MobyDicks AQ. pattern maps on target.....

one hand later (Moby has KQs, Hedged has KJo):

Dealer: Game #281742148: orrjan wins pot (975)
Dealer: Starting new hand: #281743419
Dealer: Poker Jon posts the ante 25
Dealer: orrjan posts the ante 25
Dealer: t_perkin 2+2 posts the ante 25
Dealer: hedged posts the ante 25
Dealer: MobyDick posts the ante 25
Dealer: heyrocker posts the ante 25
Dealer: iller posts the ante 25
Dealer: t_perkin 2+2 posts small blind 200
Dealer: hedged posts big blind 400
Dealer: Dealing Hole Cards
orrjan: steal k - 8
Dealer: MobyDick raises 70 to 470 and is all-in
Dealer: heyrocker folds
DrPhysic [observer]: what'd perkin do? hijack a chip truck?
Dealer: iller folds
Dealer: Poker Jon folds
Dealer: orrjan folds
Dealer: t_perkin 2+2 folds
hedged: time to see how rags hold up
Dealer: hedged calls 70
Dealer: Dealing Flop: [Td 9c Kh]
hedged: Q
hedged: Q
Dealer: Dealing Turn: [5h]
hedged: Q
hedged: Q
Dealer: Dealing River: [Qs]
Dealer: hedged has a straight, Nine to King
Dealer: MobyDick has a pair of Kings
bkerins [observer]: <oy>
heyrocker: wow
t_perkin 2+2: awwwwwwwwwww
Dealer: Game #281743419: hedged wins pot (1315) with a straight, Nine to King
Dealer: MobyDick finished the tournament in 7th place
MobyDick [observer]: knew it

I reckon Hedger knew it too - check out his chat - he has a good pattern map


iller and orrjan are in all out war, orrjan's luck hold with Jx against Qx. Iller dies. Orrjan *definately* has a pattern map

Down to 5:

Me 7.4k
PokerJon 7k
orrjan 2.8k
hedged 4k
heyrocker 2.1k

blinds 300/600

hedged raises to 1800, heyrocker moves in. rocker loses unlucky.

I take out orrjan (finally!) when I call his bluff on the flop AJ2. I have A9s he has K4. Turn/River was Q/4 - one rank off two pair (and the flush).

I nearly take out PokerJOn with KJ against KT he is saved by 7,K,6,Q,6

next hadn we both move in again with AT suited all sqaure

blinds 400/800
me 14k
hedged 8k
poker jon 3k

I take out hedged with AK against AJ

me 23k
PokerJon 4k

A few hands into heads up I raise with 75s, PokerJon moves in, I (have to) call.
Poker Jon has 44, I have well.. 75s

Flop comes 7QA, turn 7, river 5.

Pattern maps NEVER fail.

gg everyone.


Hope to see you all next week.
I wont win again, now that I have taken my "rake" for organising these things [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
PokerStars are really very helpful about organising such "circumstances". And they have no problem with me using my Pattern Map (I am using the Log9 function btw. with a little extra function that eliminates the Baysian remainder giving me an extra 2 percentage points in prediction quality).
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Old 02-10-2004, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF: Todays 2+2 SnG at PokerStars

Everyone uses them.
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Old 02-10-2004, 07:28 PM
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Default Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF: Todays 2+2 SnG at PokerStars

BUMP FOR 10000 VIEWS
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Old 02-10-2004, 10:05 PM
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Default Re: I\'ve reconsidered

Is 10,000 the definite deadline?
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Old 02-10-2004, 10:10 PM
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Default Re: I\'ve reconsidered

The definite deadline is when 10 users have weighed in with their opinion as to whether or not pattern map use is cheating when used in the manner you describe in your essay.
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Old 02-10-2004, 10:11 PM
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Default Re: I\'ve reconsidered

[ QUOTE ]
The definite deadline is when 10 users have weighed in with their opinion as to whether or not pattern map use is cheating when used in the manner you describe in your essay.

[/ QUOTE ]

And what if 10 members don't weigh in?
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Old 02-10-2004, 10:18 PM
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Default Re: ABSOLUTE PROOF: Todays 2+2 SnG at PokerStars

I have just read all of the posts in this thread and cannot believe you guys have nothing better to do than write them or bump posts just to achieve a meANINGLESS AND POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS RECORD. OOps sorry about the shouting! However if forced to take a view I would have to say the answer to the question is 42.
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Old 02-10-2004, 10:21 PM
Chris Parsley Chris Parsley is offline
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Default Re: I\'ve reconsidered

Id say no, it isn't cheating, and here's why.

Anything that a site has been alerted to, but is too dumb and stupid, or simply not to care about corrrecting, definitely is condoing such action. Any player, with that on the docket, that doesn't take any advantage he or she may have, might as well throw the money out the window and turn off their computer.

Now, even a better reason. If enough players start using the maps, either A) the site will wise up and finally fix it, or B) A lot of smart people will become rather rich.

How's that for a short essay to answer your question?
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Old 02-10-2004, 10:23 PM
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Default Re: I\'ve reconsidered

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Old 02-10-2004, 10:27 PM
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Default Re: I\'ve reconsidered

Over 10,000 views

And more members need to weigh in
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