Running it twice...

[KCFire105]

How about some detailed situations when you would offer... or accept... an offer to run it twice or more.

Also justifications for same.

[Voltron87]

it doesnt change the EV of the hand at all, it just reduces variance.

[ThePortuguee]

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it doesnt change the EV of the hand at all, it just reduces variance.

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Lets say youre playing with a lot of money and have As Ac and get it all in on board of Th 6s 7s against Ts Js. You might offer to run it more than once--and generally you'd do it three times here, for one third of the pot each time, since its a near-coinflip situation. This way the fact that you both made the decision to gamble doesnt get lost, someone will win money, but probably not the whole pot.

Incidentally, in this situation, you burn, turn, burn, river, muck the cards, then do the same twice more. You do not shuffle cards back into deck.

[fanmail]

When you flop the nuts, but there are draws all over the place. It would help you if your hand is a favorite, obviously, to run it more times.

[swolfe]

the one time i saw it happen, the hand went like this:

UTG raised, Gambler called

Flop - 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG bet, Gambler raised, UTG pushed

Gambler says, "well, i think you have aces. you have the best hand right now, but i'll call if we can run it twice." the other guy says, "okay." Gambler pushes his chips in the middle and flips over Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], UTG shows A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

The first run comes runner-runner clubs then the second run blanks off giving AA the scoop.

This is a good idea if:

It doesn't slow the game down too much.
You can't handle variance.
If someone in the hand goes broke, the game would break.

[BoxTree]

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This is a good idea if:

It doesn't slow the game down too much.
You can't handle variance.
If someone in the hand goes broke, the game would break.

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I don't think "You can't handle variance" is relevant. If you can't handle the variance, you shouldn't be in the game.

[ThePortuguee]

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This is a good idea if:

It doesn't slow the game down too much.
You can't handle variance.
If someone in the hand goes broke, the game would break.

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I don't think "You can't handle variance" is relevant. If you can't handle the variance, you shouldn't be in the game.

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I mean, fine, you have a point, but on the other hand I can sit down with 200 bucks, and while I can handle losing it, that also has to mean my night is over, and frankly I'd like to not drop it in one hand.

[BartHanson]

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This is a good idea if:

It doesn't slow the game down too much.
You can't handle variance.
If someone in the hand goes broke, the game would break.

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I don't think "You can't handle variance" is relevant. If you can't handle the variance, you shouldn't be in the game.

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I mean, fine, you have a point, but on the other hand I can sit down with 200 bucks, and while I can handle losing it, that also has to mean my night is over, and frankly I'd like to not drop it in one hand.

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Barry Greenstein made a good point a few months ago when he was on L@TB. If you always allow people to run the cards multiple times they do not fear your raises. They think that they are all right moving in or calling with draws because chances are they will at least 1/3rd of the pot (if you run it 3 times). I see it all the time with Mo our NL host at the bike. He'll always run the cards multiple times (and most people will comply) and that allows him to move over the top with little fear. It is true that multiple runs do not change the EV one iota but there is definitely an "image" argument against it.

It also makes for a less exciting show which is why I try to discourage the players from doing it--lol.

[pzhon]

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If you can't handle the variance, you shouldn't be in the game.

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That's not right. You can be risk-averse and still be correct to sit in a profitable game. The benefit may outweigh the risk. When you have the chance to run a hand multiple times, you get to reduce the risk without changing the EV.

Would you be happy to bet half of your bankroll on AA vs. KK preflop? Most of us would, but we would be much more comfortable if we could run it multiple times.