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Old 12-28-2005, 06:38 PM
A_C_Slater A_C_Slater is offline
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Default Re: In Your Experience, What Percentage of Poker is Skill vs. Luck?

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I can't remember where I ran into this or I'd link it. A guy took a poker simulator, ran it eight times with the identical profile player over the number of hands that simulated a life time of play. The results among the eight players varied by 2% over the course of a lifetime of full time play.

So, 98 percent skill, 2 percent luck. If we could live longer, I presume those percentages might change.

--Zetack

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So that's a 2% edge. Greenstein claims if your lifetime winrate is 1 BB hour than your edge has been 3%. Of course, if you're really good it can be higher. Or if you're a hack it could be as little as 1% or if you're good, but playing in tough games for some reason or lack of availabilty.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:57 PM
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I would probably say 60% skill 30% luck and 10% balls.

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gotta agree with this one.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:52 PM
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I can't remember where I ran into this or I'd link it. A guy took a poker simulator, ran it eight times with the identical profile player over the number of hands that simulated a life time of play. The results among the eight players varied by 2% over the course of a lifetime of full time play.

So, 98 percent skill, 2 percent luck. If we could live longer, I presume those percentages might change.

--Zetack

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So that's a 2% edge. Greenstein claims if your lifetime winrate is 1 BB hour than your edge has been 3%.

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What zetack says has NOTHING to do with claiming that a winning player has a 2% edge. This would be completely different.

It means that winning players of equal strength can have a 2% difference in the winnings over the course of their WHOLE careers (assuming both play at the same limits and maintained the exact same advantage over their opponents for their whole lifetime...which, of course, would be ridiculous).



We don't know what it was in the study....but conceiveably both players could be playing at a 0.5% advantage (or a 9% advantage...or a more realistic 2-3% advantage) and then end up with this 2% difference in lifetime total winnings.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:56 PM
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Default Re: In Your Experience, What Percentage of Poker is Skill vs. Luck?

If I'm stuck it's all [censored] luck goddamnit
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Old 12-29-2005, 12:17 AM
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Default Re: In Your Experience, What Percentage of Poker is Skill vs. Luck?

This question is 100% retarded.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:04 AM
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I can't remember where I ran into this or I'd link it. A guy took a poker simulator, ran it eight times with the identical profile player over the number of hands that simulated a life time of play. The results among the eight players varied by 2% over the course of a lifetime of full time play.

So, 98 percent skill, 2 percent luck. If we could live longer, I presume those percentages might change.

--Zetack

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So that's a 2% edge. Greenstein claims if your lifetime winrate is 1 BB hour than your edge has been 3%.

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What zetack says has NOTHING to do with claiming that a winning player has a 2% edge. This would be completely different.

It means that winning players of equal strength can have a 2% difference in the winnings over the course of their WHOLE careers (assuming both play at the same limits and maintained the exact same advantage over their opponents for their whole lifetime...which, of course, would be ridiculous).



We don't know what it was in the study....but conceiveably both players could be playing at a 0.5% advantage (or a 9% advantage...or a more realistic 2-3% advantage) and then end up with this 2% difference in lifetime total winnings.

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Ah yes, I seen now. Identical player profile. That is interesting.
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