Is Bush a Conservative

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Liberalism is a public philosophy that demands citizens think of themselves as members of a national community committed to greatness.

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I thought that was Marxism

[Andrew Fletcher]

Oh, zing!

I think modern day conservatism is much closer to Marxism than liberalism. Both communists and conservatives are sure they have the correct answer and believe the world is a awful place where the rule of force is the only way to keep people in line.

Personally, that is not the kind of world I want to live in.

[Beer and Pizza]

Bush hates white people. He sent that hurricane to New Orleans which disproportiionately killed white people.

How can we keep this obvious racist in office?

By the way, this was mentioned last night in the thread that got locked, the second or third thread about "liberals" that has been locked recently. Why wasn't this thread about conservatives treated the same way? I guess only threads about the negative aspects of liberalism deserve locking.

I find that a lot of people really have no idea of what the words conservative and liberal actually mean. Don't be distorted by what people say they are either. In politics you can't say person A is conservative, person B is liberal and neccesarily be able to judge what they actually believe in. A British conservative is likely to be far more leftwing and liberal than your average US republican for example. By European standards there is little social democracy preached let alone socialism in the US. The democrats if they were to stand for elections in Britain would probably have to put themselves to the right of our conservative party.

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Is Bush still a conservative this morning? It is conservative to spy on Americans and completely ignore the bill of rights?

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Conservative doesn't come into it at all. It is authoritarian , and the sort of policy that comes from those who do not trust their own people. Authoritarianism can come from the left or right. The natural place for them to end up, if allowed by a countrys political system, is as a dictator. Of course most democracy's have seperation of powers, but I have seen exmples recently both in Britain and the US of moves by those in power to undermine this important principle.

[BCPVP]

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Can you point me to a working definition of liberalism that all of "you" (those who call themselves liberals) agree on? Good luck.

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Yes.

Liberalism is a public philosophy that demands citizens think of themselves as members of a national community committed to greatness. Instead of understanding liberalism as a series of policy plans generated by policy wonks or activists, I think liberalism is a humanist project committed to pushing people to think beyond the interests of the self. Liberalism demands that citizens think of public purposes and improve the quality of collectively shared resources. (paraphrased from When America Was Great: The Fighting Faith of Postwar Liberalism.)

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All liberals will agree exactly with your definition? I highly doubt it.

[Andrew Fletcher]

It is a conspiracy designed to destroy Christmas. Even 2+2 is in on the war against the most powerful political movement in America.

[Andrew Fletcher]

I think most people don't really know what liberalism is. Did John Kerry define himself as a liberal? No. Other people claimed he was a liberal and then defined it for him.

[tolbiny]

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Bush is a disgrace

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I agree.

[XxGodJrxX]

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Liberalism is a public philosophy that demands citizens think of themselves as members of a national community committed to greatness. Instead of understanding liberalism as a series of policy plans generated by policy wonks or activists, I think liberalism is a humanist project committed to pushing people to think beyond the interests of the self. Liberalism demands that citizens think of public purposes and improve the quality of collectively shared resources. (paraphrased from When America Was Great: The Fighting Faith of Postwar Liberalism.)

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I HIGHLY disagree with this definition of liberalism, on every level imaginable. The closest thing that comes to this definition is Communism, fascism, and possibly some theocracies, and only in theory since no person can reasonably be expected to care about the collective more than themselves (at least in my opinion).

I thought we went through this on the "What is a Liberal" thread Waxie. The focus of liberalism is less government so as to increase personal liberties. Everybody is self-interested, and that includes Al Franken, Bill O'Reily, and everybody in between.

This quote is absurd, and obviously written in such a way to provoke a positive response to "Liberalism".

By the ways, I am a liberal; although I try to be as objective as I can on these kinds of matters.

[BCPVP]

Well waxie, it looks like your definition failed.