AKs huge pot

Claunchy · #1 12-13-2005, 04:46 PM

Totally friggin' lost here.

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 folds, MP1 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 caps, Hero calls, MP3 calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (24.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, Hero calls, MP3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (17.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (22.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 23.25 BB.

NobodysFreak · #2 12-13-2005, 04:49 PM

looks fine. that pot is a monster.

sccrneo · #3 12-13-2005, 04:55 PM

I would consider folding when it is two to you on the flop. Its a monster pot but getting 12.5-1 with no draws and your aces are probably worth one outs and kings maybe 2. Even with the monster pot, hitting a pair is unlikely to win it for you and you do not have anything else besides the low end of a gut shot. I say fold the flop.

Claunchy · #4 12-13-2005, 05:01 PM

No way I'm folding the flop for 2 SBs. Way too many times MP1 has QQ, JJ, maybe even TT or overcards.

joeski19 · #5 12-13-2005, 05:04 PM

Lacking any reads I think you played it fine.

sccrneo · #6 12-13-2005, 05:09 PM

Even if MP1 has an pair lower than your overcards, you are still way behind. With 6 people on the flop, there is a chance that your aces or possibly your kings are reverse dominated. And an Ace puts 4 to a straight on the board. So basically, you are drawing to a pair of kings. And that cant even be given 3 clean outs. With no other draws and the chance of reverse domination, I think it would be better to fold the flop.

NobodysFreak · #7 12-13-2005, 05:10 PM

We'e got a gutshot straight draw on the flop. That's worth peeling a car for given the odds we're getting. If it hits on the turn we can re-evaluate there.

WalkAmongUs · #8 12-13-2005, 05:10 PM

Getting 13.75:1 on the flop I call.

You have 5 outs at the very least (3 discounted OC + 2 discounted gutshot). Discounting the gutshot 2 full outs may even be overboard.

I play the whole hand the same.

With 5 outs, you have plenty of overlay to call here. You only need 8:1 to call with 5 outs.

sccrneo · #9 12-13-2005, 05:17 PM

The problem is that you have the low end of a 4 card straight on the board. Any ace splits and any six beats you. I think maybe 1 out for the gutshot and probably 2 for the overs gives 3 outs. I just dont think there are enough times when you will come out ahead with 5 opponents. You have to assume you are behind MP1, which means that you have to outdraw him and the other 4 players. Too many times you are going to hit a draw and still lose with this hand. I just dont think this is a good situation to be putting any more money into the pot. You also know that if you call the flop you are almost guaranteed to call the turn based on the size of the pot. Just does not seem like you will come out ahead often enough.

NobodysFreak · #10 12-13-2005, 05:23 PM

If we hit our three we can re-evaluate then. This pot is huge and even if we are raised if a three hits on the turn, not calling it down will kill a kitten.