JTs faces flop min-check/raise - Page 2

ajmargarine · #11 12-07-2005, 04:05 AM

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Call, let your position operate. A miniraise here is just too unlikely for a bluff.

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This comment makes me remember a hand vs. this villian. I had openlimped 88, both blinds call, OP Villian in the BB. Flop is A24; check, check, I bet, he check minraised me, I gave him credit and folded, as the pot was tiny. He shows Q7. After playing with him for an hour or so and getting a feel for him, this very easily could be air from him here.

scdavis0 · #12 12-07-2005, 04:07 AM

The min check raise bluff is a money play when used effectively. Most people are way too caught up demonizing min-raises of any kind to open up their minds..

deadmoney98 · #13 12-07-2005, 04:13 AM

Does nobody 3-bet here? You have fold equity against a lot of hands, not to mention pot equity, if you get to see turn AND river. Maybe I am over-aggressive, but at least some of the time I am re-raising here.

scdavis0 · #14 12-07-2005, 04:18 AM

It's just highly dependent on the opponent. Against a wild one I'd want to call cuz he's likely to go off for a lot of chips if I hit my hand. Against a tight player I'm more likely to 3 bet cuz this type of raise is often a tester with something like KQ.

All in all a call is standard and a 3 bet is more read dependent.

Big_Jim · #15 12-07-2005, 04:20 AM

I think 3-bet sucks here, especially with stack sizes.

ajmargarine · #16 12-07-2005, 04:21 AM

I really, really wanted to 3-bet the flop, but I didn't and the hand continued...

Preflop: Hero is MP with J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
Villian calls $3, Hero raises to $13, 3 folds, Villian calls $10.

Flop: ($28.50) K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (2 players)</font>
Villian checks, Hero bets $20, Villian raises to $40, Hero calls $20.

Turn: ($107) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue"> (2 players)</font>
Villian checks, Hero bets $65...

My gut said I was good here. I gather from the comments so far, that most would check behind the turn??

scdavis0 · #17 12-07-2005, 04:23 AM

ugh.. yeah check turn

call basically any bet on a non A, Q, K, 9 non-diamond river

i'd expect thing guy to have something like worse flush draw, QJ, weak king, air mostly

xorbie · #18 12-07-2005, 04:58 AM

I would check behind. Makes for a smaller pot, and I want my pair to go to showdown but as I'm not sure if I have the best hand, the best draw (or both) I'd like to keep things manageable.

NickPoker · #19 12-07-2005, 11:25 AM

Completely agree with Xorbie here. You check behind to manage the pot so you can call a reasonable river bet if you miss the river.

If you bet, most likely he calls if he is beating you and folds if he isn't. If your gut is correct and you are ahead the only thing you are risking by checking is if hits the river to beat you, and you might even pick off a bluff attempt on the river. If you are wrong and behind you have saved money, I guess there is an outside chance he could fold a hand that is slightly better than yours, which is the only case I see for betting.