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Old 11-03-2005, 09:23 PM
Garland Garland is offline
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Default Re: kk vs maniac, dangerous monotone flop

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He's also eager to play me since I got most of his stack five minutes before by calling a monster turn raise with just a weak flush draw, which came in

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May I ask why?

Garland
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Old 11-03-2005, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: kk vs maniac, dangerous monotone flop

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He's also eager to play me since I got most of his stack five minutes before by calling a monster turn raise with just a weak flush draw, which came in

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May I ask why?

Garland

[/ QUOTE ]implied odds apparently... sounds like it worked out.
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Old 11-03-2005, 09:59 PM
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Default Re: kk vs maniac, dangerous monotone flop

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If hero pushes, I think villain calls with a lot of pair + [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], a lot of 9 + pair, obviously all flushes, obviously all sets/two pair. So really the only thing we beat is if this guy calls with AJ no [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something.

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Ok, we're in rough shape if we get called. But there is 20bb in the pot that we just can't write off with only 45bb behind because the flop looks pretty disgusting. What % of the time do you think we get a call? What % of the time are we called and still win showdown?
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:32 PM
creedofhubris creedofhubris is offline
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Default Re: kk vs maniac, dangerous monotone flop

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He's also eager to play me since I got most of his stack five minutes before by calling a monster turn raise with just a weak flush draw, which came in

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May I ask why?

Garland

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From the way he played it, I knew he had a set and therefore would pay off for an allin if I hit my running draw.

I did the calculations afterwards and it turned out to be very close to 0 EV. So not my best play.

The real answer is I was stuck for the day and needed a big score ;-)
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Old 11-03-2005, 11:07 PM
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Default Re: kk vs maniac, dangerous monotone flop

I'm not writing off the pot. I just don't see any point in getting all in now. Check behind.
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Old 11-04-2005, 12:19 AM
creedofhubris creedofhubris is offline
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Default how i played it

I decided that if I got a lot of money in on the flop, that money would not be going in with a big edge, and I would get a bigger edge if I waited until a turn no-heart. So I checked. I figured I wanted a small pot if the heart came and maybe could check call or something. If I got a blank, I planned to ship it allin.

The turn was not the blankest of blanks. 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], making the board

J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Villain led for 1/2 pot, $100, which I interpreted as some sort of weak pair hand.

So I pushed.
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Old 11-04-2005, 12:33 AM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: how i played it

I like how you played this hand. Betting flop doesn't make sense to me, folding turn is weak, no point in flat calling turn, only option left is check flop, push turn. Nice hand.
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Old 11-04-2005, 12:38 AM
xorbie xorbie is offline
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I'm pretty sure this is exactly how I would have played it. Not sure if that's a good thing or not.
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Old 11-04-2005, 12:56 AM
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Default Re: how i played it

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I'm pretty sure this is exactly how I would have played it. Not sure if that's a good thing or not.

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oh well if you get stacked reload and lick your lips for some more of his action [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img].
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Old 11-04-2005, 02:01 AM
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Default Re: how i played it

What if he didn't check the flop and he threw out some kind of bet, what do you do now? Call, raise or fold?

Just wondering if you considered that and if you did what you were thinking?

Ed S.
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