Do you fold this set on the turn????

Nick M · #1 10-25-2005, 02:00 AM

MP3 (t1620)
CO (t1400)
Button (t1560)
SB (t1440)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1480)
Hero (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to t80, MP2 calls t80, 2 folds, Button calls t80, SB calls t70, 1 fold.

Flop: (t340) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t175, MP2 calls t175, Button raises to t500, SB folds, Hero calls t325, MP2 calls t325.

Turn: (t1840) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets t980 (All-In)

HERO????

I know I am going to hear a lot of re-raise all in flop replies...And I agree that it seems obvious while reading the HH, but I actually believed I might have been behind on the flop. Judging by the raise on the flop I got the feeling I was beat. This is why I flat called and tried to see what the button would do on the turn. When he pushed, I could not see how he didn't have the straight.

See when he raised It felt like he was charging me and MP2, for what he might have thought was a flush draw or straight draw. If he had like A10 I see him pushing the flop, not value raising. Well whatever I saw Scuba's post with a big lay down and I thought I'd join in...

Damn i just realized I bet too little on the flop...Fock!

Amy · #2 10-25-2005, 02:17 AM

Yes, you need to bet more on the flop, at least ~300. You say you felt you were behind on the flop. Even if villian flopped the nut straight you're only a 2-1 dog on the flop, which isn't too bad. Given the way you played it, I think once you call that flop raise, you have to call the turn bet, you're too pot committed(?). I think the best option, however, is to reraise all in on the flop. I'm sure others will elaborate why.

rbear · #3 10-25-2005, 02:19 AM

push flop/fold turn-- one of them has a str8

bones · #4 10-25-2005, 02:21 AM

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Damn i just realized I didn't reraise top set on a draw heavy board ...Fock!

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Nick M · #5 10-25-2005, 02:37 AM

just to let you know, if i am beat on the flop, like i thought I was, then I want MP2 in...

rbear · #6 10-25-2005, 02:39 AM

doesn't mean the reraise is wrong.. plus you already know you need to raise more pf... just another bad beat w/ slowplayed monster

Nick M · #7 10-25-2005, 02:41 AM

raise more preflop???!!!! ahhah what?

rbear · #8 10-25-2005, 02:43 AM

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Damn i just realized I bet too little on the flop...Fock!

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yep... do you really want a 4-5 way pot here?

Bigwig · #9 10-25-2005, 03:05 AM

I think that I would have bet more on the flop. Probably 225 minimum. And I would've pushed the reraise. Yes, it's possible that you're beat. But, if you were against two opponents with AA, and the flop was Q84, would you still come over the top? Probably, and you're just as likely to actually be beaten (perhaps a set of 8s or 4s).

lorinda · #10 10-25-2005, 03:18 AM

I like the flop bet, it may well have induced the raise.
I push of course after that.

On the turn I think folding is okay too.

Lori