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Old 07-14-2005, 04:00 AM
LLKOOLK1 LLKOOLK1 is offline
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Default Reraise and isolate, or just call,? Final table Bodog 20$

20$ MTT on Bodog
down to 10 people, wth tables 5 handed the following hand comes up.
Blinds 400-800
UTG has T3900, and raises all in
next player folds
Hero is on the button with T10,200 which is about average.
I pick up JJ
the problem is the SB has T22,000 and large blind has me covered as well with T14,000
Do I just call the 3900? Or move in? If I just call and then one of the blinds reraises, where am I at?
-LL
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Old 07-14-2005, 04:14 AM
0evg0 0evg0 is offline
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Default Re: Reraise and isolate, or just call,? Final table Bodog 20$

Move in.

If you call and SB/BB move in with their AX, what are you going to do? Fold and leave 30% of your stack at the table? At least use the FE you have and make SB/BB fold anything but AA/KK/QQ/AK/AQ
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Old 07-14-2005, 05:17 AM
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Default Re: Reraise and isolate, or just call,? Final table Bodog 20$

Easy push. If you call and there is a push behind you, you have to call given your hand and the odds. You'd much prefer to play heads up in this situation.
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Old 07-14-2005, 05:33 AM
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Easy push. If you call and there is a push behind you, you have to call given your hand and the odds. You'd much prefer to play heads up in this situation.

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Bingo!
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Old 07-14-2005, 07:18 AM
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Push here, you're too short to raise without simply pushing and the call isn't large enough to ensure your mid PP will get heads up.
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Old 07-14-2005, 01:44 PM
LLKOOLK1 LLKOOLK1 is offline
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Default Re: Reraise and isolate, or just call,? Final table Bodog 20$

In the hand i ended up pushing all in to isolate, and take this player, who has shown to push with a wide variety of hands, heads up. The problem is the small blind woke up with AA and called my all in as well. And i was out in 9th place. I understand that the push was most likely correct, but if I had just called and then the SB reraisd then maybe I could have gotten away from it? Or possibly he just overcalls and we take a flop, and if any overcard falls then maybe Ican get awau from the hand with 2/3 of my stack at the final table?
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Old 07-14-2005, 01:51 PM
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Stop analyzing the results, because you made the best play you could have under the circumstances you were in with the limited knowledge you had. If you get in the exact same situation again, you should do the exact same thing; push.
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Old 07-14-2005, 01:57 PM
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In the hand i ended up pushing all in to isolate, and take this player, who has shown to push with a wide variety of hands, heads up. The problem is the small blind woke up with AA and called my all in as well. And i was out in 9th place. I understand that the push was most likely correct, but if I had just called and then the SB reraisd then maybe I could have gotten away from it? Or possibly he just overcalls and we take a flop, and if any overcard falls then maybe Ican get awau from the hand with 2/3 of my stack at the final table?
-LL

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You should fold every single hand until you get suited Aces. That way you will never get in this situation.
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Old 07-14-2005, 03:12 PM
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I am simply trying to see if there was a way to find out that I was beaten. I know that my push was correct, but there are othr ways to play this hand, and I think by analyzing these options I will better understand any other situation that may come along, that is simalar.
I understand that with the stacks we're dealing with, this is a clear case to push. But If i had flat called and that sb reraise me all in, I can picture myself folding JJ here to a very strong player,(very unlikely, but possible) and I have to at lest consider this situation to see of there was possibly a way to avoid going broke on this hand. the Flop came 2-K-Q...your telling me I couldnt have gotten away from JJ here if the small blind had simply called preflop, and lead out into this board?
Just trying to get something out of it, i would push again if i was in the same situation, but wanted to see if anyone could make a case for a different play.
-LL
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