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Old 06-22-2005, 10:02 PM
glen glen is offline
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Default 3 handed stars 30-60. . .

button limps, i raise with JJ, bb calls. . . .

flop 4 5 5 with 2 hearts, bet call

turn 6s bet call

riv 7d i can't figure out what is best here or if it is too close to matter. . .
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Old 06-22-2005, 10:57 PM
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Default Re: 3 handed stars 30-60. . .

456 7
if you bet, people with 89 A3s will raise you to hell, I guess I'll check call there.
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Old 06-23-2005, 12:10 AM
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Default Re: 3 handed stars 30-60. . .

thanks for the bump
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Old 06-23-2005, 12:38 AM
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Default Re: 3 handed stars 30-60. . .

I would probably check and call. It's close. I'm curious to see how bad people thing betting and folding to a raise is.
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Old 06-23-2005, 12:45 AM
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Default Re: 3 handed stars 30-60. . .

I would bet, and if raised, it would be read-dependent. I think there's too much value to not bet this.
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Old 06-23-2005, 02:04 AM
King Yao King Yao is offline
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Default Re: 3 handed stars 30-60. . .

Are both players calling you pre-Flop, Flop and Turn? Or is it just one?

Assuming there is only one opponent by the River, it depends on the player:

1. Check/call against players that will bet for value - these are players that will bet with any pair (4s, 6s, 7s) if you check to them on the River. The reason I wouldn't bet into them is that if they have a strong enough hand that they'd call with, then they'd bet with those hands if you check to them. So in the case that they would call your bet, you don't lose a bet because they will bet if you check. But if he has a straight or a 5, you save yourself from putting in two bets (or getting bluffed out if you intend to check/fold) if you bet. You also get the value of possibly inducing a bluff from a busted flush draw or just Ace-high that may not have called a River bet based on the scary board. So against value-bettors, check with the intention of calling.

2. Against those that you can't expect to value bet as often, bet. If you check, you can't count on them betting for you with a hand like a pair of 4s. But if you bet, they will call with a pair of 4s. So you lose a bet if you check against these players. You can also divide players in this category into 2 sub-categories: players you are sure you should fold if they raise you; and players you would still call if they raise given the pot odds.

In general, I think a typical 3-handed 30/60 online player will be more like player 1 than player 2. So without knowing any of the players, if it was against only one opponent, I would check/call on the River.
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Old 06-23-2005, 02:34 AM
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Default Re: 3 handed stars 30-60. . .

I think betting and folding to a raise with no reads stinks because it's pretty obvious you have none of the board a large majority of the time here. Many people will get frisky w/ one pair here plenty to the point where this hand needs to be shown down. I think Glen's right. It's super close. You would hate to check and have 67 or A4 check behind.

I still can't decide which I like best. I say check and call because I think I'd rather have 1 bet going in on this river than 2.
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Old 06-23-2005, 02:47 AM
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Default Re: 3 handed stars 30-60. . .

this should be bet/fold, but i love showdowns too much

so player dependent, it's either bet/call or c/c
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Old 06-23-2005, 02:57 AM
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Default Re: 3 handed stars 30-60. . .

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You would hate to check and have 67 or A4 check behind.


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Would you check behind with 67 or A4? Should you?
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Old 06-23-2005, 03:10 AM
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Default Re: 3 handed stars 30-60. . .

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You would hate to check and have 67 or A4 check behind.


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Would you check behind with 67 or A4? Should you?

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I personally wouldn't check back with either hand. Mostly because the majority of 30/60 players I've run into are in love with showing down A and K high.
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