Multi tabling sharks may not kill this thing after all. (Long)

[goodguy_1]

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Most multitablers are fairly weak players who are looking to increase their earn with rakeback.

I'm not worried about people who want to play 6-8 tables they usually have an average winrate and suffer from burnout.

These guys play pretty much ABC so once you have a good read on them you can make some funky moves and run over them. By the time they adjust to you changing gears you would have changed gears again.


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this is a broad generalization which is not accurate.Many of the best multi-tablers are vicious good players.Players that can multi-table well,play each hand dependently and also play back at you enough that you will learn not to f.uck with them just because you perceive them to be a generic multi-tabler.I would say out of the 3-4 dozen possible mult-tablers I see maybe a dozen or so are this good..in general many are ABC players but they are not "fairly weak players" at all this is silly.Many of these multi-tablers have started playing multi-tables too soon in their careers so many dont play great post flop..but they still are TAG which is a problem!

[MEbenhoe]

Personally I'm not worried about this at all at the lower limits. I've seen just as many bad players multitabling these levels as I have seen good players.

I generally play 3-4 tables, and it has absolutely nothing to do with rakeback. I only get it on one site that I play on, and the thought of it rarely ever crosses my mind. Makes for a nice surprise when I get the money from it, but otherwise nothing big.

Back to the low limit tables. At 2/4 and 3/6 there are so many tables available that anyone with good game selection should be able to find 3-4 profitable tables without trouble. I really don't think that this starts to become a problem until you reach the 10/20 or 15/30 level, and if by the time you're playing at that level you haven't developed the skill to deal with an extra solid player or two at your table, then IMO you shouldn't be playing at that level.

[BurnsvilleCardClub]

The low limit party games are ridiculously profitable and should not have trouble finding good games without many sharks.

[Rah]

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These guys play pretty much ABC so once you have a good read on them you can make some funky moves and run over them. By the time they adjust to you changing gears you would have changed gears again.


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This is not true at all. "Changing gears" may work in HU matches and WPT finals, but if you try your "funky moves" - aka "raising when you should be folding" - against a multitabling TAG you're gonna get fried.

By the way, if they always play ABC poker, why would they adapt to your changed gears in the first place? Actually, would a person playing 4-8 tables even notice if a player changed gears? They would just thank god that a fish checkraised their aces with 72os and forget the hand a few minutes later.

[goodguy_1]

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Back to the low limit tables. At 3/6 there are so many tables available that anyone with good game selection should be able to find 3-4 profitable tables without trouble.

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yes finding 3-4 is easy enough but finding 8 is not the same thing

[goodguy_1]

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I've seen just as many bad players multitabling these levels as I have seen good players.


[/ QUOTE ] this is another bs statement about multi-tablers.There is a trend in vogue on these boards right now to say that multi-tablers are mostly mediocre hacks.. this is not accurate...Multi-tablers hurt the games whether they are just decent players or allstars...having those seats filled up by TAGS(even the ones that dont play well post-flop) rather than LAG's or LP's mean the game quality suffers.. end of story.If you think otherwise you are jerking yourself off.

[helpmeout]

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By the way, if they always play ABC poker, why would they adapt to your changed gears in the first place? Actually, would a person playing 4-8 tables even notice if a player changed gears? They would just thank god that a fish checkraised their aces with 72os and forget the hand a few minutes later.

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When you get out of microlimits and play midlimits/high limits most pots arent 5way. The best hand doesnt win and things like stealing the blinds become much more important.

When you are playing in these kinds of games it is easy to suddenly loosen up your raising standards and frequently win the blinds.

Some ABC 8 tabler isnt going to notice that you have suddenly been raising more than your fair share from middle to late position. All he sees is that someone raised from middle position he is sitting on the button with AJo so he folds.

Its not just preflop either its the ability to manipulate other players. Someone might be on tilt but the 8 tabler doesnt notice, you can probably get him to fold the best hand with a raise. I'm not talking about monster hands but marginal hands that frequently win 3way pots.

[MEbenhoe]

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I've seen just as many bad players multitabling these levels as I have seen good players.


[/ QUOTE ] this is another bs statement about multi-tablers.There is a trend in vogue on these boards right now to say that multi-tablers are mostly mediocre hacks.. this is not accurate...Multi-tablers hurt the games whether they are just decent players or allstars...having those seats filled up by TAGS(even the ones that dont play well post-flop) rather than LAG's or LP's mean the game quality suffers.. end of story.If you think otherwise you are jerking yourself off.

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No my statement is 100% true. You're saying you don't see fish playing 2 or 3 tables at a time at 2/4 and 3/6? I never said all multi-tablers were bad, and in fact I very much disagree with the guy that said that. However, everyone seems to think all the multi-tablers either aren't playing very well, or that they're all quality players, when the truth actually lies somewhere in between.

Do you think winning players are the only ones who have figured out you can open up more than one table at a time? Fish will play multiple tables at the same time for the same reason people will go to the casino and play multiple hands of blackjack at the same time, or play more than one slot machine at the same time. It increases the thrill of the gamble for them.

Not all multi tablers hurt the game. Not all multi tablers are TAGS. Real end of story [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[MEbenhoe]

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By the way, if they always play ABC poker, why would they adapt to your changed gears in the first place? Actually, would a person playing 4-8 tables even notice if a player changed gears? They would just thank god that a fish checkraised their aces with 72os and forget the hand a few minutes later.

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When you get out of microlimits and play midlimits/high limits most pots arent 5way. The best hand doesnt win and things like stealing the blinds become much more important.

When you are playing in these kinds of games it is easy to suddenly loosen up your raising standards and frequently win the blinds.

Some ABC 8 tabler isnt going to notice that you have suddenly been raising more than your fair share from middle to late position. All he sees is that someone raised from middle position he is sitting on the button with AJo so he folds.

Its not just preflop either its the ability to manipulate other players. Someone might be on tilt but the 8 tabler doesnt notice, you can probably get him to fold the best hand with a raise. I'm not talking about monster hands but marginal hands that frequently win 3way pots.

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You underestimate the ability of some people to keep track of whats going on at all their tables why multi-tabling. No, not all can do this, but there are some who can.

[goodguy_1]

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Not all multi tablers are TAGS. Real end of story

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again you are kidding yourself.How many fish do you know that multi-table the main limits that you play everyday?For me I cant think of one single really bad known fish that mult-tables $3-6 LHE.Most multi-tablers play somewhere between a 0.50bb/100 to the best players playing at 2.50+bb/100.Many of these newer players should not be multi-tabling because they lack the skills and are pushing themselves too fast too soon in their poker careers..but they arent losers maybe a few but most all of them are breakeven to small/medium winners.
this idea that fish mult-table consistently day in day out is wrong in full ring games.In short/6MAX LHE many fish do multi-table.
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No my statement is 100% true. You're saying you don't see fish playing 2 or 3 tables at a time at 2/4 and 3/6?

[/ QUOTE ] any one night you may see a know fish playing 2 tables but he isnt 4-8-tabling and he is not doing it everyday..so he's not even a factor really.
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Not all multi tablers hurt the game. Not all multi tablers are TAGS

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90% of multi-tablers are TAGS thus most multi-tablers do hurt games..your logic is flawed on both counts:most m-tablers do hurt games and most m-tablers are TAGS.