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Old 12-19-2005, 11:43 PM
kiemo kiemo is offline
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Default Mid pair, inside straight draw - out of position

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, BB folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: (3 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Table was pretty loose. MP2 is a gambler, 60/20ish and likes to reraise after the flop, sometimes with nothing. CO is a passive fish who will call down alot. BB is a tighty.

Flop: I debated on whether to bet this out but decided against as I am not forcing a Queen out of this hand ever with these players. Once it comes back to me I wanted to check raise to knock out remaining two, but I figured BB is folding if he didnt lead out and MP2 is probably folding since I have seen him reraise alot but never check raise.

However the pots small and its a two suited board. I put my outs at 5, maybe 6 so maybe this is a better fold

River: Filled the flush, I didnt improve, small pot. Clear fold?
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Old 12-20-2005, 01:04 AM
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Default Re: Mid pair, inside straight draw - out of position

Against a passive fish who keeps betting your probably behind so I would fold the turn UI in this small pot.
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Old 12-20-2005, 01:07 AM
Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) is offline
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Default Re: Mid pair, inside straight draw - out of position

When CO bets the flop, I'd checkraise. I think it's a great spot for it. If you get 3-bet (unlikely), call and reevaluate on the turn. If you only get one caller, I fire one more out on the turn (with two or more callers, once again reevaluate.)
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Old 12-20-2005, 01:15 AM
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Default Re: Mid pair, inside straight draw - out of position

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When CO bets the flop, I'd checkraise. I think it's a great spot for it. If you get 3-bet (unlikely), call and reevaluate on the turn. If you only get one caller, I fire one more out on the turn (with two or more callers, once again reevaluate.)

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I'd say when a passive Villain bets into 4 people, it's too likely that we're already behind to bother with a check-raise in this small pot. We don't really need to clean up outs because a better jack is usually pfring, and if another T will call getting 4:1 he'll probably call getting 2:1.
I'd just peel the flop (barely) with our implied odds on ~6 outs and fold the turn UI.
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Old 12-20-2005, 01:45 AM
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Default Re: Mid pair, inside straight draw - out of position

Flop is a bit thin. Fold the turn.

-Jaran
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