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10-10-2005, 12:00 PM
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Staking tid-bits at USPC; Mike Matusow, and a Question.
This is from Steve Rosenbloom's article at ESPN.com.
[ QUOTE ] Here's the scene outside the Taj poker room: A bunch of well-known players are looking to hit someone up for a loan so they can make the $10,000 buy-in and play in the USPC. Smith and his beads are milling around with the likes of Mike "The Mouth'' Matusow, "Capt.'' Tom Franklin and Jean Robert Bellande. "How can so many poker players be in one place with no money?'' Matusow asks out loud, but then, Matusow does everything out loud. "We keep less than $10,000 on us when we come back from Aruba because if you have more, customs people ask questions,'' Smith explains. So, here's how Matusow gets into the event: He approaches Barry Greenstein - Greenstein is back to growing a beard; more on that later - and ask Greenstein is he'll loan Seidel "10 dimes'' so Seidel can stake Matusow. This is how you connect the dots in poker. Greenstein hands Seidel two gray chips - 5K each - and Seidel gives them to Matusow, and bingo, there you go, Matusow is in and Seidel, not Matusow, owes Greenstein. One thing going on here is that Matusow still owes Greenstein $1,500 from the World Series of Poker. "Some people I've loaned $100, $200, and they're afraid to come up and talk to me if they haven't paid it back,'' Greenstein says. "With Mike, $1,500 is a fair price.'' [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The baseball playoffs are going on, and Matusow is complaining that none of the televisions in the Taj poker room show any of the games. I tell Matusow that the White Sox lead the Red Sox 5-0 after the first inning. "I have $5,000 on them to win the series,'' Matusow says. "(Red Sox starter Matt) Clement's been getting smashed. The Red Sox just don't have the pitching this year.'' How can a poker player bet $5K on a baseball series and not have money for a tournament buy in? Just asking. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Kenna James: "Fifty-five times he (Matusow) has called me an idiot. What's he going to call me when he's walking out after I bust him?'' [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Interesting rule in the Taj poker room: A raise must be at least double the last bet, whereas in many events, a raise only has to be half-again the last bet. The situation arose at Greenstein's table where one player bet out $800 and another threw out $1,500. A floorman ruled that the player who threw out $1,500 had to take back $700 and could only make the call of $800. [/ QUOTE ] Is that last part right? At a lot of 10k buyin events if somebody bets 800 you can make a 400 dollar raise? I've never played in a game with a rule like that. Course I've never played in any major tournaments either. --Zetack 
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10-10-2005, 12:26 PM
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Re: Staking tid-bits at USPC; Mike Matusow, and a Question.
Funny.
[ QUOTE ] "Some people I've loaned $100, $200, and they're afraid to come up and talk to me if they haven't paid it back,'' Greenstein says. "With Mike, $1,500 is a fair price. [/ QUOTE ]
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10-10-2005, 03:11 PM
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Re: Staking tid-bits at USPC; Mike Matusow, and a Question.
The raise is supposed to be twice the bet or raise previously.
Preflop if someone raises from 20 to 60, a raise must be at least to 100. Post flop if someone bets 100, a raise must be to 200. If someone does raise to 200, a raise must be to 300, etc.
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10-10-2005, 04:01 PM
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Re: Staking tid-bits at USPC; Mike Matusow, and a Question.
If you throw in multiple chips without announcing a raise then the dealer will look at what you threw in and determine if it is a raise or not. In many casinos a raise would be declared if you threw in at least half a minimum raise and you would be forced to put in the rest to make it a legal raise. In other casinos a raise would not be declared unless the full minimum raise had been thrown into the pot. Anything short of the full minimum would be returned to the player and a "call" would be declared.
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10-10-2005, 07:55 PM
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Re: Staking tid-bits at USPC; Mike Matusow, and a Question.
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This is from Steve Rosenbloom's article at ESPN.com. [ QUOTE ] Interesting rule in the Taj poker room: A raise must be at least double the last bet, whereas in many events, a raise only has to be half-again the last bet. The situation arose at Greenstein's table where one player bet out $800 and another threw out $1,500. A floorman ruled that the player who threw out $1,500 had to take back $700 and could only make the call of $800. [/ QUOTE ] Is that last part right? At a lot of 10k buyin events if somebody bets 800 you can make a 400 dollar raise? I've never played in a game with a rule like that. Course I've never played in any major tournaments either. --Zetack [/ QUOTE ] What he is trying to say is that at the Taj (unlike most tourneys) if you put out more than 1.5x the initial bet but less than 2x the initial bet, you are actually calling and have to take back whatever chips above the initial bet you might have put out there. In order to raise, you'd have to put out 2x or more. (Assuming you're not all-in.) The angle-shooting would come where someone might put out 1.9x knowing that it will not be considered a raise, but they can get players in between to fold thinking it will be a raise OR they might pick up a tell on the initial bettor without actually risking a raise. IMHO it sounds like a stupid rule. I also wonder how accurately Rosenbloom is describing it since he also described a hand in which he claimed Layne Flack lost 30k chips on a board of K7843 or something like that with 2 hearts and three clubs. Problem is he said Flack held AhKh for top pair and nut flush draw -- but somehow he lost to QQ. -Jed Edit: At most tourneys I've played, if you put out more than 1.5x the previous bet you are forced to make a min-raise which is a full bet (unless you are all-in). I've never heard of any sort of raise that is less than a full bet and I think Rosenbloom just explained what he was trying to say a bit akwardly.
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10-11-2005, 05:41 PM
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Re: Staking tid-bits at USPC; Mike Matusow, and a Question.
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"I have $5,000 on them to win the series,'' Matusow says. "(Red Sox starter Matt) Clement's been getting smashed. The Red Sox just don't have the pitching this year.'' [/ QUOTE ] Nice. That ought to hold off Greenstein.
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10-11-2005, 05:53 PM
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Re: Staking tid-bits at USPC; Mike Matusow, and a Question.
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Is that last part right? At a lot of 10k buyin events if somebody bets 800 you can make a 400 dollar raise? I've never played in a game with a rule like that. Course I've never played in any major tournaments either. [/ QUOTE ] This it the Taj's house rule for all of their games. If you are playing 20/40 and throw out a stack of 7 red chips without saying raise you just called.
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10-11-2005, 05:58 PM
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Re: Staking tid-bits at USPC; Mike Matusow, and a Question.
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[ QUOTE ] "I have $5,000 on them to win the series,'' Matusow says. "(Red Sox starter Matt) Clement's been getting smashed. The Red Sox just don't have the pitching this year.'' [/ QUOTE ] Nice. That ought to hold off Greenstein. [/ QUOTE ] No but it'll pay off the 5,000 dollar bet he had on the Padres to upset St Louis.
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