LAG combat (cold donking included)

DeeJ · #1 04-12-2005, 05:53 AM

My unfavorite hand, 55. Until recently it was my worst performer. No more, I tightened it right up. Or so I thought. I was reading the peter_rus post about small pairs being slightly profitable just as this hand came along ...

As per the subject line, Villain (UTG) is new to me but appears pretty loose. Afterwards, PT analysis put him on 35/14. Cutoff is a reasonable player who also probably doesn't respect the UTG raise. It's the flop call I'm interested in; I wanted to keep BB in (which I didn't) and get UTG to lead the [hopefully non-deuce] turn, (which he did). And the preflop too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Paradise Poker 20/40 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, CO folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Michael Emery · #2 04-12-2005, 06:45 AM

I like how it played out for you Dee. I'm just not so sure that I can agree with your preflop Button cold-call. I guess its much closer if you knew for a fact that one or both of the blinds were sure to call preflop increasing your implied odds. Without that knowledge and what looks to be a fairly shorthanded pot unless they tag along, I'm folding preflop and waiting for a better scenario with more players to pay me off if I flop my set. I didnt read Peters post but cold calling here seems -EV. I do like how it turned out for you though. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Mike Emery

helpmeout · #3 04-12-2005, 07:36 AM

I dont like much of this.

Cold calling with 55 eww you need at least another caller here.

I raise this flop I'm not letting any Ace,2,6 or 7 get to see the turn cheap and beat me with their gutshot.

DeeJ · #4 04-12-2005, 12:08 PM

Don't forget the opening raiser is loose/aggressive preflop, and we're only 7-handed.

I would agree with you if his raising standards were higher - and I nearly folded here, too - but given he could have anything with a nice picture card, or suited, I was persuaded to hit the call button.

DcifrThs · #5 04-12-2005, 12:42 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Don't forget the opening raiser is loose/aggressive preflop, and we're only 7-handed.

I would agree with you if his raising standards were higher - and I nearly folded here, too - but given he could have anything with a nice picture card, or suited, I was persuaded to hit the call button.

[/ QUOTE ]

given your preflop cold call you NEED to raise the flop. really really bad place to try to trick your opponents when they will defineatly give you plenty of action (ps - you only won 8bb this hand...you needed more)

-Barron

DeeJ · #6 04-12-2005, 12:57 PM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Don't forget the opening raiser is loose/aggressive preflop, and we're only 7-handed.

I would agree with you if his raising standards were higher - and I nearly folded here, too - but given he could have anything with a nice picture card, or suited, I was persuaded to hit the call button.

[/ QUOTE ]

given your preflop cold call you NEED to raise the flop. really really bad place to try to trick your opponents when they will defineatly give you plenty of action (ps - you only won 8bb this hand...you needed more)

-Barron

[/ QUOTE ]

I generally agree about the flop raise, although if I had another player behind me I think the benefit of overcalls (and then possible call-reraising) is worth considering.

Also I thought LAG would bluff at the turn, which he did, and wouldn't have done if I had raised him and he had had nothing.

Can you look at my EV calculation and see if I got it wrong (I think I only need to avg 7.33BB profit)

elindauer · #7 04-12-2005, 08:39 AM

Play the flop fast. Aces and overpairs will likely give you plenty of action. Terrible spot to slowplay.

Your preflop call is pretty weak. You need to get about 10 big bets out when you flop a set to justify it, but you only got 8. True, sometimes you'll get more. But other times, you'll win without a showdown and get less. You need more than 7.5 to 1 to compensate for the times you flop a set and lose.

Good luck.
Eric

BigSkiRace · #8 04-12-2005, 10:03 AM

So Many straight draw possibilits, why not hammer the flop, check-raise the turn? Or is that to ovbious

Turning Stone Pro · #9 04-12-2005, 10:10 AM

Would one more preflop cold caller in front of the hero make it mathematically sound? When I have small pairs up to 88 in LP and there are a couple cold callers after a EP raiser, I can't help but call. I'm pretty sure its profitable, but not positive.

Thoughts?

TSP

Justin A · #10 04-12-2005, 01:04 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Would one more preflop cold caller in front of the hero make it mathematically sound? When I have small pairs up to 88 in LP and there are a couple cold callers after a EP raiser, I can't help but call. I'm pretty sure its profitable, but not positive.

Thoughts?

TSP

[/ QUOTE ]

Absolutely. My default is two cold callers in front, or a limper and a cold caller, or... well you get the picture. I wanna take the flop five handed or more.