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Old 12-16-2005, 11:34 AM
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Default 72s is marginal at best

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero folds
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Old 12-16-2005, 11:43 AM
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Default Re: 72s is marginal at best

two chances to fold preflop, and missed them both [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 12-16-2005, 11:55 AM
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I understand calling in the SB the first time, but to call the raise... I would have mucked it.

On the flop, I don't see how/why you can call this... especially two bets back to you. One bet, maybe. You have about 5 outs. Muck it after two bets.

Turn... this is a fold.

River... you finally folded.
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Old 12-16-2005, 11:56 AM
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Against how many loose limpers do you start limping any two suited from the SB?
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:07 PM
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I understand calling in the SB the first time, but to call the raise... I would have mucked it.

On the flop, I don't see how/why you can call this... especially two bets back to you. One bet, maybe. You have about 5 outs. Muck it after two bets.

Turn... this is a fold.

River... you finally folded.

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I think you got every comment wrong man.

Preflop, it's a fold the first time around for sure. once it's raised, hero now is getting 7-1 to call with suited trash. I'd rather call this time around because at least now you have some flush draw value.

Flop: He as 13 outs. I'd think about 3 betting, but probably just call since I have no overs.


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Turn... this is a fold.

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are you serious? Hero has about 15 outs here. Flush + double gutshot. Anyone that folds here doesn't understand counting outs.
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:10 PM
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Against how many loose limpers do you start limping any two suited from the SB?

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Not with 2 limpers. If you had, say, 75s, that's different, but 72s has little high card power, no straight card power, only flush power.

If there were 4 limpers, then i'd probably call with any two suited.

Edit: Id probably still fold hands like 72, 83, 82, 92,

I think they wouldhave to be 3 gappers at most, becuase at least you can flop a gutshot that way, ie, 95s, 84s, 73s
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:12 PM
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Against how many loose limpers do you start limping any two suited from the SB?

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In a 1-2 structure like this hand, I will call with anything suited after there are 4 limpers. I dont know if this is correct but thats the basic strategy ive been using.
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:32 PM
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Against how many loose limpers do you start limping any two suited from the SB?

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In a 1-2 structure like this hand, I will call with anything suited after there are 4 limpers. I dont know if this is correct but thats the basic strategy ive been using.

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He asked me, not you. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:44 PM
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I understand calling in the SB the first time, but to call the raise... I would have mucked it.

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Folding to the raise after completing initially would be terrible. Now, the initial completion is very questionable given the number of limpers, but calling the raise should be automatic.
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Old 12-16-2005, 12:46 PM
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Against how many loose limpers do you start limping any two suited from the SB?

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Four is good. Three is acceptable if you're strong postflop or the three limpers are absolutely terrible postflop players. Two is generally not going to be +EV.
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