($33) -ROI help continued: Too many 4ths?

psyduck · #1 12-18-2005, 05:24 AM

just fold preflop. if the table has been unusually tight, just raise T275 PF (enough to put BB all in)

limping and calling vs the big stack makes me want to VOMIT

#2 12-18-2005, 05:27 AM

Thanks. Can you explain why? It sounds like it's very obvious to you, and since it's not to me, then I'm assuming this can be a nasty leak.

curtains · #3 12-18-2005, 05:32 AM

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Thanks. Can you explain why? It sounds like it's very obvious to you, and since it's not to me, then I'm assuming this can be a nasty leak.

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Its obvious because your goal is to come in THIRD PLACE!!! not first, but third. Unless the situation drastically changes that should remain your goal. Once you are in third place then you can readjust but for now you are shooting for 3rd place due to the chip distributions. Unless you have an absurdly +EV situation, you are content to just wait things out and finish in the top 3.

tigerite · #4 12-18-2005, 07:08 AM

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Its obvious because your goal is to come in THIRD PLACE!!! not first, but third. Unless the situation drastically changes that should remain your goal. Once you are in third place then you can readjust but for now you are shooting for 3rd place due to the chip distributions. Unless you have an absurdly +EV situation, you are content to just wait things out and finish in the top 3.

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Actually you might get 2nd yet - SB's stack is the same as yours [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] You won't be getting 2nd or 3rd by pissing about with KQo here though.. that's for definite. I wouldn't even call here with AKo. Well hmm I might but play it very very passively.

curtains · #5 12-18-2005, 07:09 AM

Yes but your first goal is to lock up 3rd and then worry about 2nd.

tigerite · #6 12-18-2005, 07:09 AM

Of course yeah, goes without saying.

curtains · #7 12-18-2005, 07:10 AM

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Its obvious because your goal is to come in THIRD PLACE!!! not first, but third. Unless the situation drastically changes that should remain your goal. Once you are in third place then you can readjust but for now you are shooting for 3rd place due to the chip distributions. Unless you have an absurdly +EV situation, you are content to just wait things out and finish in the top 3.

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Actually you might get 2nd yet - SB's stack is the same as yours [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] You won't be getting 2nd or 3rd by pissing about with KQo here though.. that's for definite. I wouldn't even call here with AKo. Well hmm I might but play it very very passively.

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I suspect that moving allin with AKo preflop is correct unless the big stack is a psycho of some sort. If you think the big stack will call you a lot, then you should even fold AKo here. Most players arent calling 1200 chips without a good hand though.

45suited · #8 12-18-2005, 05:33 AM

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Thanks. Can you explain why? It sounds like it's very obvious to you, and since it's not to me, then I'm assuming this can be a nasty leak.

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I'm not trying to be mean spirited but if you can't see that you butchered this hand, I think you might want to consider dropping down from the 33s until you come to grasp basic SNG concepts.

curtains · #9 12-18-2005, 05:35 AM

Agreed with 45suited....this is such a ridiculously large hole that its absurd. You cannot get involved without a monster in a spot where there are 4 left, you are 2nd or 3rd in chips by a longshot, and the 4th place guy has very few chips.

#10 12-18-2005, 06:02 AM

Thanks guys, I appreciate both your advice and your candor.

I started studying poker in October, I've built my BR from $200 to $3900. I play a level until I have enough for 100 buy ins at the next level. As long as I'm above $3300 I want to play $33s. My primary goal is to learn and improve, not yet concerned with just grinding to make money.

As you can tell I'm inexperienced -- however I'm committed to learning. I didn't see anywhere in any FAQ that I should be folding anything but monsters when there is a big stack and a short stack on the bubble. Thanks for pointing it out, sounds like it'll really improve my game. I'm wondering what other obvious things I don't know....

A few more follow up questions. What consitutes a big stack and a short stack? Big stack is 2x+ my stack? Shortie is <3BB? If I have 4xBB, should I be super passive if someones else is <2xBB? What about if I had 5xBB?

Maybe this would be better discussed over AIM...