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Folded QQ on the flop
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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>. The botton ( SLPA ) raises. Hero reraises Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds. Final Pot: Did I wimp out? |
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Re: Folded QQ on the flop
What are his stats?
This is really weak tight especially against a likely button steal. You gotta give this flop a bet an go from there. |
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Re: Folded QQ on the flop
bet the flop, he is likely stealing, and you gave him the pot by checking
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Re: Folded QQ on the flop
I'm sorry. What are his stats? I don't remember what SLPA means. Is there anything wrong here with taking the betting lead, and folding to a raise? 99, TT, JJ, QQ, KK call you down, and AA, AQ, AJ, AK raise, right?
99,TT,JJ,QQ,KK, (25) 18 times you get paid off, six times you lose, one time you split. (11*18)+(5*6)+(5.5*1) 162 AK(12), AQ(6), AA(3), AJ(12), (33) 33*-1 units are in SB So over 195 hands, this method wins you 129 sb, for an average profit of 1.51 sb per hand. I didn't take into account any drawouts because your 2 outers roughly cancel out his 2 outers |
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Re: Folded QQ on the flop
c/f'ing is pretty bad here. There are 7sb's in the pot on the flop, and it only costs you 1sb to "test" your hands strength. He's on a steal so his range is fairly big, he'll have a lot of non-ace hands and you can certainly get him to drop his hand more times than 1 in 7.
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Re: Folded QQ on the flop
I think SLPA means, that he's "slightly loose" (around 30% vpip), passive preflop and aggressive afterwards?
Correct me if Im wrong but that's how it is with my ratings. I dont think it matters that much, you cant check on the flop, you have to bet. The A might help you if he doesnt have one. (if helping you means he's going to fold) |
#7
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Re: Folded QQ on the flop
That sounds right, but I don't pay that much attention. I just look at the HUD numbers, and sometimes open up opponents window to see how often they fold to flop bets compared to turn bets or how their turn aggression compares to their flop aggression, etc.
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Re: Folded QQ on the flop
***grunch***
Bet out on the flop. If he raises, I'd probably call, then check/call the turn and river, depending on what comes out. May be spewing, but I think you're giving a blind stealer far too much credit. |
#9
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Re: Folded QQ on the flop
While the general consensus seems to be to bet out the flop, I'm going to disagree and suggest check/calling. Seems like a clear-cut WA/WB situation to me. If he doesn't have an A, he is likely drawing to ~3 or less outs. Therefore, we should encourage villain to play incorrectly and bet out his weak hands. This also allows us to minimize losses when we are behind. My overall line here would be: c/c flop c/c turn and b/f the river.
I think betting the turn is superior if a 3rd [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] falls, to try to knock a weak [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and to avoid giving a free card. |
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Re: Folded QQ on the flop
check/calling makes me sad here. You are giving the villain the chance to outplay you too often by checking behind. Taking the betting lead is more likely to get value for your hand, and you are ahead to often here. I'm not afraid of getting raised by a worse hand here either. I'm not afraid of villain folding a small pair either. |
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