QuebeCasino (this one is NOT spam)

[emonrad87]

The post by the spammer directed me to their site, and I found the promotions page here .

These bonuses seem pretty decent (except that black jack doubles the WR)... including the 10% neteller bonus on a $2500 deposit, the EV on the high roller bonus is around $625 i think.

Does anyone have any experiences with them?

Thanks

[Freakin]

It's RTG

[emonrad87]

What does that mean?

[PygmyHero]

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What does that mean?

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Real Time Gaming. It's a software provider (not to be confused with an ownership group).

Did anyone else notice that the 'High Roller' bonus is actually worse than the normal bonus (going by the wr)?

Normal is 150/150/4500
High Roller is 2500/750/29,250

If that doesn't make it clear (duh), look at it this way

Normal 100% up to $150, 30xB
High Roller 30% up to $750, 39xB

Edit: BTW, there's something creepy in an existentialist way about your avatar.

[emonrad87]

Yeah, the WR on the high roller bonus is worse... but it's worth more in $$ value so I think that's the one I will go with. It seems like you don't have any problems with them, so I'll give it a shot. Would BJ still be my best option even tho it doubles the WR, or is there a game that I could play that would be better?

Thanks again

RTG means that it is likely to not be reputable. They may refund your deposit and refuse to pay your bonus and winnings, or they may ask for all kinds of ID and delay your cashout for a month, or they might simply keep your money. Unlike, say, microgaming, RTG does not require its casinos to adhere to strict ethics. There are reputable RTGs, but this one has no reputation either way yet.

These guys are Play United, which is a private label. Basically, if you want to own your own casino, you can go to Play United and they'll come up with the logos and websites and everything. Quebecasino is brand new, so there's no guarantee they won't screw with you.

[PygmyHero]

Okay, first and most importantly, I do NOT have any experience with this casino; I am not endorsing them in any way. I'm sorry if my post was misleading about that. I answered simply because I knew what RTG stood for. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] No one else had done so yet.

And then I noticed the interesting bonus options, so I thought I'd make a comment or two. Anyway, here's some more analysis.

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If someone has the BR for it, absolutely the 'high roller' bonus is a better overall value.

I missed the part about the wr doubling if you play BJ, but I looked at it harder, and I see it now. So I'll redo the numbers:

Option 1: $150 deposit, $150 bonus, 9000 wr (this is 60xB).
Option 2: $2500 deposit, $750 bonus, 58,500 wr (this is 78xB).

Here's the key point that emonrad is referring to:

Option 1: The EV is +105.00
Option 2: The EV is +457.50

Assuming that the HA is 0.5% and that you are flat betting a small amount.

I'm glad Aviva added some comments, including the ownership group, which I had not looked into yet (I don't do that unless I am seriously considering doing a casino, and I'm not at that point with this one yet).

So it seems that this is a new casino, so the standard caveats apply. It should maybe make you more apprehensive about plopping down 2.5K. I guess it all goes back to how well BR-ed you are. Good luck if you do it, let us know the results.

As for games, I couldn't find a listing of their games on the site. It is not clear what versions of BJ they offer (Switch, Surrender, Strip, AC, etc.). I would also want to see their multi-hand VP payout tables. Without this information there's just no way I can recommend a game. Sorry! But, its usually pretty obvious once you get the software.

Edit: Wow that's dumb! I just found the games. Okay, I wasn't trying very hard before. I will see if I can find some VP paytable info.

[PygmyHero]

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Would BJ still be my best option even tho it doubles the WR, or is there a game that I could play that would be better?


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Okay, I have a little analysis here.

VP - I stared at their little tiny previews and have figured out the paytables:
JoB: They are using the 8/5 paytable, so your expected return is 0.97298434
Deuces Wild: They are using the 'Ugly Ducks' paytable, so your expected return is 0.989130
(Source: WoO)

I did not analyze any of the other games - I typically only look at JoB, A&F, and Deuces Wild. If you want to figure out anything else, you're on your own.

BJ: I couldn't find a list of their rules (i.e. how many hands can you split to, can you double on any two, only one card to split aces, stand on soft 17, etc.), so I can't tell you the exact HA.

My guess is that there is less HA if you play BJ, but this may be mostly / completely compensated for by the lower VP wr. I guess if I were going to do it I would just choose whatever game I felt like playing.

In fact, I would probaly play both. It seems like you are allowed to. That is, they seem to say that BJ wagers count as half wagers, NOT that playing BJ doubles the wr.

Oh, and one last note - the preview screens make it obvious that they offer 100 line VP, which pretty much dictates that they have to offer the $0.01 coin size. It also means they probably have 50 line, 10 line, and 4 line, or similar. And the last important note from looking at the preview screens - it looks like they do NOT have the doubling option.

Okay, I hope you find all of that information of some assistance.

[emonrad87]

Wow. Thanks a lot.

I have no experience with VP, so I don't know if I really want to do this one. Add to that the uncertainy of it, I think I'll wait on it for a while. I'm adding this thread to my favorites for when I go for it though.. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Cool, thanks!!!!

I've won $30 [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Now hope they pay [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]