does anyone on here fold this? KK late, facing a lot of heat.

[tdarko]

20+2, 180 man sng. 25 players left.

my image is that i was real loose since being moved to my new table, i had accumulated a lot of chips and was in the top 5. then i picked up this hand...

PokerStars Game #3037002171: Tournament #15000038, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/11/12 - 02:11:35 (ET)
Table '15000038 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 2: tbranson (15925 in chips)
Seat 3: Jman614 (8200 in chips)
Seat 4: Nasty36 (11090 in chips)
Seat 5: bhar (7255 in chips)
Seat 6: Cokemanjeff (17335 in chips)
Seat 7: plax02 (4020 in chips)
Seat 8: SenTed (2315 in chips)
Seat 9: JLemaC5 (9195 in chips)
tbranson: posts the ante 25
Jman614: posts the ante 25
Nasty36: posts the ante 25
bhar: posts the ante 25
Cokemanjeff: posts the ante 25
plax02: posts the ante 25
SenTed: posts the ante 25
JLemaC5: posts the ante 25
tbranson: posts small blind 200
Jman614: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tbranson [As Ah]
Nasty36: raises 1400 to 1800
bhar: folds
Cokemanjeff: folds
plax02: folds
SenTed: folds
JLemaC5: folds
tbranson: raises 14100 to 15900 and is all-in
Jman614: folds
Nasty36: calls 9265 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Jh 2h Js]
*** TURN *** [Jh 2h Js] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 2h Js Jd] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tbranson: shows [As Ah] (a full house, Jacks full of Aces)
Nasty36: shows [9c 9d] (a full house, Jacks full of Nines)
tbranson collected 22730 from pot

so now i am the chip leader by about 13K. literally 5 hands later i pick up this hand...

PokerStars Game #3037022027: Tournament #15000038, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/11/12 - 02:14:55 (ET)
Table '15000038 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: tbranson (28265 in chips)
Seat 3: Jman614 (9275 in chips)
Seat 5: bhar (7530 in chips)
Seat 6: Cokemanjeff (16635 in chips)
Seat 7: plax02 (2320 in chips)
Seat 8: SenTed (2215 in chips)
Seat 9: JLemaC5 (9095 in chips)
tbranson: posts the ante 25
Jman614: posts the ante 25
bhar: posts the ante 25
Cokemanjeff: posts the ante 25
plax02: posts the ante 25
SenTed: posts the ante 25
JLemaC5: posts the ante 25
plax02: posts small blind 200
SenTed: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tbranson [Ks Kc]
JLemaC5: folds
tbranson: raises 800 to 1200
Jman614: raises 8050 to 9250 and is all-in
bhar: folds
Cokemanjeff: raises 7360 to 16610 and is all-in
tbranson:?????


i had raised the last 3 hands to 1200 so this was standard for me.

[wiggs73]

I'm pretty sure I'd call this.

I'm pretty sure I'd call here and, barring any reads, expect something like JJ/QQ from the first guy and maybe AK from the second guy. But either way, even if you lose, you'll still be second at your table with about 30xBB. Makes it a call for me.

[pokerstudAA]

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I'm pretty sure I'd call this.

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Given the image you had on the table - I think your initial raise was discounted. The first all-in looks like a mid stack getting desperate. He might do this with AJ+, 88+. Keep in mind he might be trying to steal the pot right there from the aggressive big stack.

The second all-in in probably a better hand. AK, JJ+. Your stack looks like it will be around average if you call and loose. If you win you shoud domimate the rest of the tournament.

I put the first all-in as AK and the second as QQ. I would call and try to dodge an ace.

[ZootMurph]

The fact that you have plenty of chips makes this an easy call. In fact, without a very specific read, I can't imagine laying it down.

[tdarko]

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The first all-in looks like a mid stack getting desperate. He might do this with AJ+, 88+.

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The second all-in in probably a better hand. AK, JJ+.

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let me just clarify a little about the two different players and what i thought about the moves they made.

the first all-in guy (jman guy) he was extremely tight and i had only seen him show down premiums at this table and i had been at his table at the very beginning of this tourny and the case was the same for then too. his raise was the one i was actually worried about the most, it looked to me as if he had a big hand and he felt like he could get a big stack to call and double him up b/c i had chips to play around with and was willing to enter a lot of pots.

the second all-in guy (coke guy) was a bit like me, he was the other table bully. he was the hand i wasn't as worried about but of course i have to respect the a call of the reraise all-in (gap theory). to me it seemed as if he wanted this thing heads up and wanted to reraise the rest of his chips cause he felt i wouldn't risk half my stack on any random two cards that i could be raising with and have been raising with...but then i thought if he were smart and knew that i had been playing any two for awhile and actually had a big hand he would just call the initial all-in and not reraise.

so many thoughts ran through my head here. i just wanted you to know that player 1 was the TAG and player 2 was the LAG.