River folds - routine?

tanda · #1 07-03-2005, 10:31 PM

Opp is 53/19/0.4 after 62 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5.20 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB

Opp is 60/3/4.0 after 33 hands. His river agg is 0.00 since he has 1 raise, 4 bets, 2 checks and 2 folds with no river calls in 9 river hands.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.20 BB

tanda · #2 07-04-2005, 08:31 AM

Anyone?

college_boy · #3 07-04-2005, 09:17 AM

Both look fine to me.

obithrawn · #4 07-04-2005, 09:55 AM

I agree. Seems unlikely that you are ahead.

aba20 · #5 07-04-2005, 10:23 AM

I might call the second one if you had more hands on the villian and knew he was capable of a bluff. His stats strike me as someone who might bluff.

Mig · #6 07-04-2005, 10:36 AM

I personnally call the first one. You have good kicker and it's headsup. For the second hand I usually check/call since I have TP with no kicker and it completes a draw. Even the non aggro player will bet into you when you check to them with as low as bottom pair. Yesterday on a very big pot a player of that type raised me on a rivered flush he had king high... It's a good place to bluff. Anyway 60 hands is not enough to have a good read on someone so I think it's an easy call vs unknown... IMO... I may be way out of track here but with 60 hands I call. If you had 20k hands on him I would definitively fold to a river raiser vs someone with 0 river raise over 20k hands [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

jquattro · #7 07-04-2005, 10:51 AM

I guess given the limit, it may be more likely that hes beating you. I dont really know. I personally have no problem calling both, and would likely win more than 1/9 of the hands.

banks · #8 07-04-2005, 12:15 PM

I call first hand. . . i cant bring myself to fold there

does anyone raise flop on hand 2??

sam h · #9 07-04-2005, 12:42 PM

I would not fold the second hand and would certainly raise the flop or turn.

When it comes to aggression factor, especially by street, your sample sizes make inferences completely meaningless.

banks · #10 07-04-2005, 12:46 PM

I think in the second hand - a huge range of hands are betting that flop that you are ahead of when its 3 handed and heads up on the flop. . .you need to get a raise in before the river IMO