A gutshot and flush draw on the turn

[Riposte]

I hate the way I played this. I'm thinking I should have gone all-in on the turn? Thoughts?



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Hero ($23.40)
Button ($4.80)
SB ($18.60)
BB ($1.10)
UTG ($10.40)
MP ($17.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.85 (All-In), UTG calls $0.85, MP calls $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, Button folds.

Flop: ($4.75) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $2</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($8.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $5</font>, Hero calls $5.

[kongo_totte]

Fold the flop. Even if you stack him every time you hit you do not have odds.

[Stephen Gray]

Fold flop?

[ajmargarine]

Fold preflop. Twice.

And then fold after the flop. You have a gutshot straight draw right there. 4 outs. You are ~10:1 to hit that card on the turn. Implied odds say that to call $2 there you need to make $20 on that call to make it a break even EV (more to make it +EV). There's $6.75 in the pot and UTG has ~$7 left behind, so no way you can you call that as you will never make enough to make it worth your while. Calling with gutshots is almost always -EV.

As played, you caught a heart on the turn. Now you have 9 flush outs and 3 2's for a total of 12 outs to improve your hand. You are about 3:1 to make your hand which will probably be the winner. That $5 needs to make you over $15 to make it a profitable call. Given that UTG has about $2 left behind and the pot is $13.75, it is extremely marginal to make that call there also.

[Riposte]

Ugh... fold 45s on the CO because the button still has to act?

[ajmargarine]

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Ugh... fold 45s on the CO because the button still has to act?

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"The experts" say that sc's under 76s aren't really worth it to play. I usually follow that advice.

Fold preflop, fold flop. The stack sizes are too small to justify a call. You don't have enough outs. See implied odds for explanation. Call here would be okay if he had $25 at beginning, but he only had $10.

[Bukem_]

Fold flop because its protected and UTG has no money to pay you with.