KTs UTG

Peter · #1 12-12-2005, 12:04 PM

KTs is a pretty big loser for me UTG at 10/20 6 max. It seems that the pots that I win are all smaller than the pots that I lose.

Is the flop coldcall very bad here?

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Preflop: Peter is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Peter raises, MP calls, CO 3-bets, Button calls, 2 folds, Peter calls, MP calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Peter checks, MP checks, CO bets, Button raises, Peter calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (10.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Peter checks, MP checks, CO bets, Button calls, Peter calls, MP calls.

River: (14.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Peter checks, MP checks, CO bets, Button calls, Peter folds, MP calls.

Final Pot: 17.75 BB

Give up on the river in this hand?
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Preflop: Peter is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Peter raises, MP calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Peter bets, MP calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Peter bets, MP calls, SB folds.

River: (7.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Peter bets,
Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Too passive in this one?
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Preflop: Peter is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Peter raises, MP 3-bets, CO calls, 3 folds, Peter calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Peter checks, MP bets, CO calls, Peter calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Peter checks, MP bets, CO folds, Peter calls.

River: (8.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Peter checks, MP bets, Peter calls.

Final Pot: 10.75 BB

How about this one?

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Preflop: Peter is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Peter raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, Peter calls, Button raises, BB calls, Peter calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Peter checks, Button bets, BB calls, Peter raises, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Peter bets, Button raises, BB folds, Peter calls.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB

Keep firing?

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Preflop: Peter is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Peter raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Peter bets, CO calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Peter bets, CO calls.

River: (5.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Peter bets,
Final Pot: 7.75 BB

philnewall · #2 12-12-2005, 12:15 PM

Hand 1 I don't like the flop call much but...eew
Hand 2 I think the river bet is good, lots of draws missed.
Hand 3 I'd probably lead out on the flop
Hand 4 I really don't like the river calldown.
Hand 5 I find that when there's 3 of a kind on the board people don't fold a lot of hands, certainly nothing that beats you here on the river.

#3 12-12-2005, 12:17 PM

First off, if you’re really uncomfortable with playing KTs, you can always drop it for the time being.

1. I fold this flop. You have just about the right odds for your gutshot, but then there’s a decently good chance you will split, which kills your odds.

2. I check/fold this one.

3. Yes! Too passive. Going for a flop c/r is great here.

4. Going for a turn c/r here is a little dangerous since it is so easy for button to check behind, but since you got it good. But I c/c this river instead because it looks exactly as if button flopped a 9.

5. Keep the pot small in these situations. You don’t even have an ace and opponent could easily have a 9 or a pp.

Peter · #4 12-12-2005, 01:07 PM

Hand 4: as I said in the flour flush thread, I sometimes have difficulties folding in these spots. A checkcall would be the play to go right?

Peter · #5 12-12-2005, 01:11 PM

Hand 2: Why would you checkfold a flush draw and 2 overcards?

Hand 3: I usually go for a CR in this spot, somehow I decided not to in this hand. Does the added caller in between increase your reasons to CR?

#6 12-12-2005, 03:28 PM

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Hand 2: Why would you checkfold a flush draw and 2 overcards?

Hand 3: I usually go for a CR in this spot, somehow I decided not to in this hand. Does the added caller in between increase your reasons to CR?

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hand2: lol, sorry I wasn't specific enough. I meant check/fold the river after you've missed.

hand3: The caller in between actually decreases your reasons for going for a c/r, becuase the motive in this case would be to knock out an opponent while you have probably have the best hand which is very vulnerable at the moment. Since MP is the preflop aggressor, we can be almost positive he will bet if u check. So leading the flop would be ideal, in case MP decides to raise which might knock out the other guy. But I think just calling is inferior to both leading out and c/ring.

#7 12-12-2005, 05:22 PM

Hand 1 -
he has enough odds on the flop considering he has a gutshot, a backdoor 2ndnut flush, and the possibility that hitting a king (or a ten if he is lucky) could win the hand for him.

Hand 2:
This really depends on the MP at this point. If he is moderately okay, he would know that he doesnt have odds to call the turn with just a pair unless he intended to go to showdown. I dont know what sorts of hands he is cold calling with though. Once you have a range for his cold calling hands and whether or not he peels overs poorly (ie calling flop and turn with JT or QJ tihnking you missed) , whether to bet here or not become more clear.

hand 3:
You probably want to check raise the flop and lead turn. If he 3bets and I know he can raise for a freecard (or a chance to fold you) with overs a lot, I dont mind calling his 3bet and then donking the turn. But if you dont know if he raises with overs or not, you probably should just call down after the 3 bet.

hand 4:
I fold the flop. 2 suits on a semi-coordinated board - you could hit a pair and still lose. Also, button still has to act, and depending on how he plays, his cold call may represent strength enough to say you are behind.

hand5:
How this plays out depends on what he cold calls with and how much he peels if he feels you havent hit, despite whether he has or not. I would probably check-call the river, depending on how loose and how donkey he is. I might check-fold too sometimes.