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Old 12-20-2005, 07:50 PM
jason_t jason_t is offline
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Default 10/20 blind steals

All three villains have TAG stats.

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Preflop: I am Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">I raise</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, I call.

Flop: (7 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, I call.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">I raise</font>

One orbit later.

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Preflop: I am Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">I raise</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, I call.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, I call.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">I raise</font>

One hand later.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: I am CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">I raise</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, I call.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">I raise</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">I cap</font>
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:57 PM
istewart istewart is offline
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Default Re: 10/20 blind steals

You're too loose preflop. We've seen it time and time again.
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Old 12-20-2005, 07:59 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 blind steals

i was just convinced that one of these was with me until i realized you're probably not a 25.9/10.68. you should PM me your SN since i'm sure i've played with you a lot this week ( including right now )
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:00 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 blind steals

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You're too loose preflop. We've seen it time and time again.

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which ones do you disagree with and why? these all seem rather standard to me.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 blind steals

hand 1: I like as we will often get the villain to fold ace high hands and the times he has a pair we have a decent enough chance to suck out to a better hand.

hand 2: I'm torn on this one, but I think this turn raise is probably better than just calling down and I want to show this down barring a bad river card.

hand 3: Are you taking a free card on the turn? I like this hand the least as we probably don't have very much FE here and need to improve to win.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:01 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 blind steals

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i was just convinced that one of these was with me until i realized you're probably not a 25.9/10.68. you should PM me your SN since i'm sure i've played with you a lot this week ( including right now )

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The VPIP is too high and the PFR is too low.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:02 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 blind steals

what do we think of capping preflop in hand 1?
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:06 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 blind steals

I don't like 1. I'd rather do this with a hand that's basically like hand 2, where I've got a little more going for me if we see a river.

Hand 3 feels like a bit much. I might do it depending on situational stuff and how the table feels, but as a default heads up in drawing situations I'd rather take it easy.
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Old 12-20-2005, 08:56 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 blind steals

If you are checking back a blank turn on hand 3, I like it. If you are going to keep firing, I don't like it because I don't think you are getting enough folds to make up for the times you get called or check-raised on the turn and need to improve to win.

I think hand 2 is good. On this board as this played out, I think you have plenty of folding equity and I think you very rarely get three-bet by a worse hand, so you have an easy fold if reraised.

I don't like hand 1:
First, your fold equity is much lower than in hand 2. This is a draw heavy board (with both a twoflush and a 9T combination), so it is harder to sell the raise as being legit. Further, there just aren't that many likely holding for your opponent with which you can expect he won't find a call. Any pocket pair sixes or higher has a set, a gutshot+pair or an overpair. Overcards like AK/AQ may fold, but a lot of people will not. Pretty much any other reasonable hand has connected with this board in some way (top pair, straight draw, etc.) and isn't leaving.

To make things worse, I think you are often getting reraised in this spot. You have enough outs that you are stuck calling, but if reraised you are certainly behind and so I am not excited about paying $60 to see a river card when I could have paid $20.
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:34 PM
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Default Re: 10/20 blind steals

Thank you for your particularly insightful post on hand one. That makes a lot of sense.

I did intend to check behind a blank turn on hand three.
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