does this happen??

daryn · #1 09-10-2003, 10:25 AM

i have started to wonder lately, do you think that dealers in B&M cardrooms cheat? i mean, do they use deck mechanics and set cards for certain players? i'm talking about dealers in casino settings.. anyone have experience with this?

Joe Tall · #2 09-10-2003, 10:34 AM

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i have started to wonder lately, do you think that dealers in B&M cardrooms cheat? i mean, do they use deck mechanics and set cards for certain players? i'm talking about dealers in casino settings.. anyone have experience with this?

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There are too many cameras for such actions.

Why did you ask this?

StevieG · #3 09-10-2003, 11:04 AM

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i have started to wonder lately, do you think that dealers in B&M cardrooms cheat? i mean, do they use deck mechanics and set cards for certain players? i'm talking about dealers in casino settings.. anyone have experience with this?

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I think this is almost guaranteed to be happening someplace somewhere sometime, in the form of collaboration between dealer and player. And the casinos and cardrooms do a lot to prevent this: cameras, frequent dealer changes, floor supervision.
It is not at all to the cardroom's advantage to risk a lucrative license for some short run scam, but dealers try.

midas · #4 09-10-2003, 11:14 AM

I think its more likely that there is collusion among players than dealers fixing the decks. I also believe that certain players are very friendly with floor people and get steered to fishier tables.

StevieG · #5 09-10-2003, 11:16 AM

This is not to disparage dealers. I should not say "dealers try" but "there is bound to be a dealer that will try".

I'm sure most dealers are honest professionals, and my (extremely) limited exposure to them has shown me many are polite and helpful, as well.

southerndog · #6 09-10-2003, 12:15 PM

I don't think casino's have anything to gain by keeping an eye on such activities, and thus are not that interested in watching..

CrackerZack · #7 09-10-2003, 12:24 PM

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I don't think casino's have anything to gain by keeping an eye on such activities, and thus are not that interested in watching..

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Besides multi-million dollar fines from the gaming commission if they have any interest in keeping their room going, then they have to ensure an honest game. Even the appearance of inpropriety can kill the room if the rumor spreads enough.

Dynasty · #8 09-10-2003, 12:25 PM

There's no chance the dealers in Las Vegas are doing this. The intense security and dealers changing every thirty minutes made it a worthless task. The new automatic shufflers make it impossible.

Mike Gallo · #9 09-10-2003, 12:26 PM

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i'm talking about dealers in casino settings.. anyone have experience with this?

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Never. I usually hear losing players discussing such reasons for their misfortune. They blame cheating dealers and not poor play.

Do you have any specific examples?

~MG~

Dynasty · #10 09-10-2003, 12:27 PM

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I also believe that certain players are very friendly with floor people and get steered to fishier tables.

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You're imagining this.

The floor people have absolutely no clue who the fishy players are. Even if they watched the tables closely, there are very few floor people who have the judgement to identify a good table.

If players identify a good table, they go on the table change list which every poker room has. A tip in the floor person's pocket may get you to the top of the list though.