This was an odd one for me

JapaneseSandman · #1 02-21-2005, 03:36 PM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 3-bets, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (9.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (12.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

_bustedflush_ · #2 02-21-2005, 03:52 PM

Your play looks standard. It'll be interesting to see what MP2 was thinking.

VTDuffman · #3 02-21-2005, 04:04 PM

The Limp Re-raise rears it's ugly head again! This only confirms my suspicions (sp?) that people are watching too much WSOP/WPT/"Tilt" and then trying to apply it to Micro-Limit HE...

My first inclination was to say "Standard. What 3-bet worthy hands by anyone who knows even the slighest bit are you beating here?" *Then* I see the limp re-raise, which gives me a solid read that Villan has no clue what he's doing.

Given that, I raise this flop and see if he Caps. Only then do I go into call down mode.

Delphin · #4 02-21-2005, 04:07 PM

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MP2 3-bets, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (15.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (9.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Hero calls, BB folds.

River: (12.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

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I have trouble putting CO & MP2 on a hand here.

MP2's slow down on the river makes it seem like he might have had a good draw that didn't get there. But he three bet preflop, so what hands are possible? AK,AT,TT? I suppose he could have a stronger hand like AA,QQ,99,AQ,AJ and was afraid to try for a check raise on the flop or turn fearing giving a free card on a scary board. Once the river card came he might have been willing to try for a check raise?

CO could have some of the weaker hands listed above for MP2 or a draw. If he had one of the stronger hands he would have raised the flop or turn and bet the river.

The turn call is the pivotal decision in this hand. You might be ahead, but I think you have to assume you are behind. Your backdoor flush possibility is gone and the other two players are likely to have some of your outs in their hands and your outs may help someone else more. Is the 8.75:1 that you are getting enough to justify a call? I think it is close, but I would fold. If a king falls, you may give a lot of chips to AK,AQ,AJ,A9,AA,KK,QQ,JJ,99. If a Q falls you have to worry about AQ,AA,JJ,99. The tens are the only outs you really like, and only if it isn't a heart.

JapaneseSandman · #5 02-21-2005, 04:24 PM

Yes the turn call was thin but the only one I'm worried about here is MP2 so I figured 5 outs 3 tens and 2 Queens so I called. MP2's check on river can only be insanity or an attempt at a check raise so I checked. He shows down AKo CO showed KJ hearts.