couple of drawing hands - PLO $200 - probably basic

greygoo · #1 12-03-2005, 11:47 AM

Hi, guys.
Trying to learn PLO. Normally a SH NLH player, so keep in mind that I don't really know what I'm doing yet. Here is a couple of drawing hands I feel I screwed up. All comments, including most basic ones, are welcome.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $2 BB (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($343.30)
Button ($48)
SB ($229)
BB ($222.05)
UTG ($350.35)
MP ($79)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, SB completes, BB raises to $6, UTG calls $4, Hero calls $4, Button calls $4, SB calls $4.

Flop: ($30) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $28.5, Button calls $28.50, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $28.50.

Turn: ($115.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets $13.5 (All-In), UTG calls $13.50, Hero calls $13.50.

River: ($156) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, Hero bets $52, UTG calls $52.

Final Pot: $260

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $2 BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG+1 ($310.30)
MP1 ($200.65)
MP2 ($38.90)
CO ($88)
Hero ($271.25)
SB ($219.30)
BB ($192)
UTG ($69)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 2 folds, CO calls $2, Hero calls $2, 1 fold, BB raises to $10, UTG+1 calls $8, CO calls $8, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($41) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets $38.95, CO folds, Hero calls $38.95, BB folds.

Turn: ($118.90) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $115.9, Hero calls $115.90.

River: ($350.70) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $145.45 (All-In), Hero calls $106.40 (All-In).

Final Pot: $602.55

I'll post my own thoughts a little later - need to get some sleep.

BluffTHIS! · #2 12-03-2005, 05:19 PM

I would have played hand #1 the same as you. On #2, I would call the flop having position, realizing one of the 6s and maybe one of the 9s were in his hand, but would have folded the turn since you really don't have enough outs to continue, although if your hand had been QJT9 and you picked up top 2, then I would call. As you played it hopefully you weren't just up against the same hand and had to split it.

#3 12-03-2005, 06:46 PM

Hand 1: I believe you played this hand fine. Nothing looks off the wall.

Hand 2: I might be on my own here, but I think this is a clear cut fold. You have 13 outs, (3 J's, 3 9's, 3 T's, 4 6's) and are around 3.5-1 to hit your hand.

The pot is laying you 2-1. Unless you feel that you will stack him everytime you hit, I would lay it down. (did not even mention that a few of your outs will most likley be in his hand)

On the turn, you are presented with a similar situation, only some of your outs are not to the nuts anymore, due to the flush. I would lay it down again on the turn. On the river, obviously, its an insta-call.

greygoo · #4 12-04-2005, 01:22 AM

Hand 2 first. I was pretty sure I stack him if I hit, but I think it's a fold on the turn, especially with a heart draw out. In this particular hand villain had 7 7 6 4 with two hearts. With the assumption that I stack him when hit, turn call can't be a big mistake. But I think I can be up against a better hand here a lot of times, end up splitting when I hit, etc. I don't mind a flop call against villain, as he was having hard time letting go his made second-best hands, but turn I should release this one.

Hand 1 is more interesting I think. After UTG check/calls button all in, I probably should figure I'm ahead of him. Button is of no concern anymore, but UTG still has a lot of money behind and I'm probably at least freerolling. Had he held the nut straight, he had to be worried about board pairing (I'm pretty sure he doesn't have AA here) and about nut flush draw. He also had troubles releasing second-best hand, so I probably should try to make more money out of him here and raise. What am I missing?

On the river, side pot is dry, so I tried to make at least something out of UTG in case he is behind and button has the nuts. We ended up chopping with Q-high straight, button had J-high straight.