15/30 questions

[obsidian]

I've only played about 13k hands at 15/30 but I don't think so. Other than the fact that it is full ring and I played 10/20 6-max.

[BigEndian]

The aggression level is generally less at 10-20 from my experience, which makes decisions easier and less costly.

- Jim

[SGS]

I really disagree with most of what you said. I think when going up in limits it is VERY important to take it in stages. Moving up from 2/4 to 15/30 with no stops in between just because you are rolled for the 15/30 is a bad idea.

When you move up in a limit you pick up different skills you didn't need to have to beat the limit before. Just skipping all these limits will cause you to miss some skills you will probably need to beat the 15/30.

Also I highly recommend the OP play the 6-max 5/10 and 10/20 games. This is because in those games a lot more pots are blind(s) vs opener (compared to 3/6 and 2/4) putting you in a lot more marginal situations as is the case for the 15/30. I would also like to add that I think the OP quest is possible though kinda of diffucult. You would have to run well and not have a extended break even stretch. Good luck.

SGS

[BigEndian]

I understand what you are saying. I'm in the move up as fast as your roll will carry you camp though.

Will he have to move down after taking a few lumps? Very possibly, maybe likely.

Will he learn his ass off and challenge himself? Obsolutely if he approches the game with the right mind-set.

It's not like he just crossed the $9k threshold, he has more than enough roll to play the game. I hope that I'm in the 30/60 game before my roll hits $36k.

If his financial situation depends on his poker earn, then I completely agree with you though. I should have said that to begin with.

- Jim

[DavidC]

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This is because in those games a lot more pots are blind(s) vs opener (compared to 3/6 and 2/4)

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I'd like to address this issue.

In s/s 2, harman talks about playing hands like t8, jt, t9, 86, etc. from the blind.

She doesn't mention if they're suited, so I'm assuming that they're not, and that she defends blinds very liberally.

Does this seem to make sense? (I'm not asking if it's correct play, I'm just asking if I have to add "suited" to every hand she's talking about, when I'm trying to understand what her opinion is on correct play).

[obsidian]

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This is because in those games a lot more pots are blind(s) vs opener (compared to 3/6 and 2/4)

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I'd like to address this issue.

In s/s 2, harman talks about playing hands like t8, jt, t9, 86, etc. from the blind.

She doesn't mention if they're suited, so I'm assuming that they're not, and that she defends blinds very liberally.

Does this seem to make sense? (I'm not asking if it's correct play, I'm just asking if I have to add "suited" to every hand she's talking about, when I'm trying to understand what her opinion is on correct play).

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Yes I believe she means unsuited. Defending with hands like that is good because they are less likely to be dominated than a hand like say K6 and are easy to let go from after the flop.

[AviD]

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You will also get to know the biggest fish on a first-name basis and learn to seek them out and never be bothered when they put beats on you (and privately cheer them on when they are getting short-stacked and are in a hand against another player).


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Haha, I do this all the time!

[MaxPower]

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2/4 to 15/30 in 75 days?

1) Is it possible to win 2/100 over the long term, being a quite competitive player for this limit (top 12%)?

2) Is there good table selection available at 15/30 full ring?

3) Is it possible to play 8 tables silmultaneously at 15/30?

Sorry if this would best belong in small stakes. Sorry that it's probably been asked like 100 times already. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

--Dave.

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Speaking from my own experience number 2BB/100 an hour would be an extroadinary win rate over the long term (by which I mean hundreds of thousands of hands). The game selection is not that outstanding and 8 tables would be practically impossible. There is a big difference between 8 tabling 2/4 vs 15/30. The players at 15/30 are going to force you make more tough decisions which will require your attention.

Your results may vary.

[QTip]

I want to throw my 2 cents in here in case you missed my experience of the same

I did the exact same thing for the same reasons as sack up. I was underrolled for the move. I had decided to take 150BB to the game and go for it. After my 75BB 1st day, I thought I was set. Then, I proceeded to go on the largest and quickest downswing of my career. Very unfortunate and ridiculous consecutive suckouts. AA 10 times which were capped and more than 4 handed 7 times. I won none of those seven hands. After that, I moved back down.

I'm confident I can beat that level. I was playing about 4 tables on average, but never more than 7. I was about 17/11, but I think I could have trimmed that up some to make for less variance when starting. Inside the Poker mind has some nice thoughts on moving into mid limits that I think is pretty good advice. And, FWIW, I'm quite certain my winrate would NOT be 2.0 at 15/30. Given the players I saw there, I was thinking I could win somewhere in the mid 1s...maybe 1.2-1.7. And yes, given the aggressive nature of the opponents, I would imagine that the SD would increase. It seems the TAGS are better TAGS, and the fish are people that are just there to gamble, but have a good feel for when to bluff raise and so forth...the 38/18/2 types.

My personal decision now is that I will no longer move to a level where I can't lose 300BB and continue playing. This way I'm not subject to the cruel timing of the poker gods.

On a side note, I'm at 5/10 right now working my way back up there. Really the 5/10 game is filling up more. There generally seem to be over 20 tables available at party with plenty of fish.

So, that's where I'm at with that. Of course, you do want you want, but I'm not going back to 15/30 until I can light $9k on fire and keep playing my game there.

Good luck to you whatever your decision.

[Nick Royale]

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I was playing about 4 tables on average, but never more than 7.

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Isn't this awfully much when taking a stab at a new limit underrolled? I even think it's too much when you got a 300BB bankroll and are planning to get adjust to a new level. I know it is too much for me anyhow and I plan to move to 15/30 from 5/10when rolled. Did you feel comfortable making a giant move in limits playing 4-7 tables?