Is this play weak/tight?

Messy Harry · #1 01-30-2005, 12:42 PM

If you feel it is, could you please suggest a better line.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 (poster) checks, Hero calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (9 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, CO checks.

River: (7.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
UTG bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, Hero folds, MP3 folds, CO folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

zuluking · #2 01-30-2005, 12:45 PM

Bet out on the turn.

topspin · #3 01-30-2005, 12:49 PM

The turn play was pretty bad. You bet the flop because no one in early position showed strength, and you figure your 2nd pair top kicker might be good. The top card pairs on the turn, but this changes nothing -- if you were ahead (which is not unlikely), you continue to be ahead and now beat bottom two pair as well. Bet the turn.

Since you didn't, you now have a tough decision on the river but I think you have to call here. If UTG has a queen he likely would have bet it on the flop, and you beat anything worse than that.

ajrenni · #4 01-30-2005, 12:55 PM

I would raise pre-flop. I like the flop value bet. I think you can also bet the turn for value. As for the river, I would call, even though it's an overcall. You have a good hand, there are no straight or flush possibilities out there, and a raise behind you is unlikely.

Wario · #5 01-30-2005, 12:56 PM

Yes I think it is.

It's too weak to assume someone has a Queen on the turn, sure there are loads of opponents but none have shown any strength. Also by checking you just gave a free card in a pretty big pot when you have a vunerable hand.

Bet the turn, the river is also a pretty easy call given you showed weakness on the turn.

GrunchCan · #6 01-30-2005, 01:43 PM

I would raise pre-flop.

That would be pretty bad.

tiltaholic · #7 01-30-2005, 01:58 PM

yeah. like they said. bet the turn.

i'd fold preflop. raising preflop would be insane.

Greg J · #8 01-30-2005, 02:00 PM

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I would raise pre-flop.

That would be pretty bad.

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Not that bad. But I would not do it.

Greg J · #9 01-30-2005, 02:09 PM

Yuck dude.

Limping with ATo in the position is marginal, but it's okay. With 4 limpers in front you it's fine. Folding would be okay too. I would not raise with it. The problem with a hand like ATo is that if you misplay it postflop, it becomes a big loser. And you butchered this hand postflop. To your credit, you posted this hand, demonstrating you know you misplayed it.

I can go with the flop bet. When the scond quenn comes this makes it more likely someone does not have a queen. Bet! You might get checkraised, but that is part of being an aggressive player.

River... there is a very good chance you folded the best hand.

Messy Harry · #10 01-30-2005, 02:57 PM

Well, essentially the results are: I am weak/tight dope(I guess the first step to solving my problem is admitting it!) and I did fold the best hand - a mortal sin, I know.

One guy turned over 3,6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] for a failed steal
The other guy took the pot w/ 5,7 offsuit for Q's and 5's.
...and I did alot of yelling.

Thank you all for your input.