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Old 09-27-2005, 11:38 AM
casinogosain casinogosain is offline
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Default 3/6 - QQ out-of-position on an ugly board - 3-bet or fold this flop?

Fairly typical Party 3/6 table. Button in this hand is a LAG (51/16). BB is a TAG, other two have recently sat down and are unknown.

Party Poker (6 max, 5 handed)
UTG posts $3.
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG checks, MP calls, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (6 BBs) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, Button raises, Hero ?

At first glance, I think this is a fold. But what do you think of this line of reasoning: I figure based on this board that I have 4 outs which may result in a split. The remaining two queens give somebody else a straight and are no good. But will raising get a naked King or Queen to fold? If so, then I have 6 outs to win, right? Also, it is the known LAG raising, and he may have as little as a Jack or Ten, and I'm already ahead. I hate Queens out of position. Thoughts?

-Ash
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:56 AM
RunDownHouse RunDownHouse is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 - QQ out-of-position on an ugly board - 3-bet or fold this flo

I think I'd forget about being ahead and forget about folding out anyone with a K.

You have to run a parlay of nobody having an A AND the lag not having two pair, which I don't think happens too often. You've represented a big hand by raising the field from the blinds, so I could definitely see Ax just calling you down here.

I call the flop, but I'm pretty weak on math so I don't know if you've got odds to chase after that, given that you may be splitting if you do hit.
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Old 09-27-2005, 11:57 AM
spydog spydog is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 - QQ out-of-position on an ugly board - 3-bet or fold this flo

Just call the flop and fold the turn unimproved. You have the odds to draw to the straight and you are unlikely to chop since you hold 2 queens.
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