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Old 07-18-2005, 11:41 AM
sng-sam sng-sam is offline
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Default KK shortstacked

Live tourney 4 handed chips stacks as followes

Button: 20,000
SB: 13,000
BB: 35,000
UTG (Hero): 5,000


Hero is dealt KK hero bets what??

SAM
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:45 AM
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Blinds?
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:47 AM
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sorry!

700/1400

can't really help till you know that!

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Old 07-18-2005, 11:51 AM
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Move in or Min-Raise 2800.. It doesn't matter.. Your money is going to be getting all-in either way.. If nobody else calls, it's likely BB is calling with any two cards.
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Old 07-18-2005, 11:56 AM
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sorry!

700/1400

can't really help till you know that!

SAM

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You can play it one of two ways. Often pushing UTG with your stack size will induce a call from a lower pair or hands like AJ as most people will assume you are just trying to make a move.

Another option is betting about 2.5x the BB. I don't like just doubling it as that invites a lot of hands that can outdraw you into the action, yet pushing could force hands like 77 to fold preflop when you really want at least a little from hands that you dominate. You obviously push no matter what the flop brings as you are pot-committed.

Limp-reraising is not an option as your stack size is just not big enough to force anyone out who might have called a small raise after you.
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Old 07-18-2005, 12:03 PM
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I disagree with the people saying you can make a smaller raise. You have to push with 3 1/2 x BB UTG. A push looks like you are afraid of the blinds and you could have anything. I smaller raise or a limp is a tell that you have a big pair.
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Old 07-18-2005, 12:18 PM
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depends totally on how well your opponents play. you have 12 hands left before being blinded off, you want to get all your money in right now. If your opponents are good, just push because they'll smell a rat if you bet anything less than your whole stack, but if they aren't that good, go ahead and limp. Now you just hope someone makes a 2nd best hand.
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Old 07-18-2005, 12:39 PM
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If your opponents are good, just push because they'll smell a rat if you bet anything less than your whole stack, but if they aren't that good, go ahead and limp.

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You would have to be playing with pretty bad opponents for anything other than a push to look strange and suspicious. At a final table, I would have to give my opponents credit for this.

If you are not going to push, limp. Any raise obviously pot commits you. A smaller raise does nothing for you.
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Old 07-18-2005, 01:22 PM
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Another option is betting about 2.5x the BB. I don't like just doubling it as that invites a lot of hands that can outdraw you into the action, .....

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That's more than 1/2 his stack and smells even worse than a limp or mini-raise.

POOOOOOSH and hope you get called, any thinking player has to open up your pushing range here, can't put you on the monster.
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Old 07-18-2005, 01:50 PM
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Seems like you must push, anything else would be way too suspicious, unless your opponents are clueless.
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