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09-13-2005, 02:03 PM
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$20-40 Floor Ruling, Ethics?
From a few hours ago.......
$20-40 in a major poker room on the Las Vegas Strip. On the turn, in a very big multiway pot (Queen high board), guy in the 8 seat says (I'm in the 2 seat)...... "You bet with a lot of confidence". I say, "Because I can beat a queen". Local grumpy lady says, "You can't talk about your hand". Dealer backs her up. I think they're both crazy and say, "Call the floor". Floor comes over and informs me, I violated a house rule. I am NOT allowed to talk about my hand during play (This is a cash game, WTF?). Almost everyone at the table (including me) tells him WTF! (but without the "F") I won the pot but lots of heated talk afterwards by many at the table. Grumpy local lady #2 and grumpy local lady #1 are on opposite sides of this heated debate. Personally, I think the floor guy is nuts (In this case any way, a good guy otherwise). Ten minutes later, the senior floor guy walks into the room. As he's walking upstairs, I ask him his take. He tells me there is in fact no rule against what I did (table talk) but it IS considered unethical. Unethical? WTF? All comments welcome. Thanks, Howard 
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#2
09-13-2005, 02:07 PM
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Re: $20-40 Floor Ruling, Ethics?
Floormen really should try playing poker sometime. Is talking about the hand, by players in the hand, unethical while it's going on? That would just be sad.
Regards, T
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#3
09-13-2005, 02:11 PM
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Re: $20-40 Floor Ruling, Ethics?
Lets say the board is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and you are betting into some fish on the river. I say 'did he get the flush?' The fish is about to muck his cards, but then looks at them, calls you and wins the pot with the flush.
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09-13-2005, 02:16 PM
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Re: $20-40 Floor Ruling, Ethics?
Just fence them into a zone with nothing but keno and slots, most of them won't notice the difference anyway.
(And I don't see the problem with talking about your hand mid-hand, so long as you're giving the same info to all players)
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#6
09-13-2005, 02:36 PM
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Re: $20-40 Floor Ruling, Ethics?
I rarely come down on the side of the nits, but this time I am. In a heads up pot I would see nothing wrong with discussing the hand, but since it it multiway I think it is inappropiate.
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#7
09-13-2005, 02:47 PM
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Re: $20-40 Floor Ruling, Ethics?
[ QUOTE ]
I rarely come down on the side of the nits, but this time I am. In a heads up pot I would see nothing wrong with discussing the hand, but since it it multiway I think it is inappropiate. [/ QUOTE ] Why is it inappropiate? I never understood that sentiment, if I want to say I can beat a queen or not, its up to the table to decide if I am lying/bluffing, whats the different if I say it, or bet it? None.
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#8
09-13-2005, 02:52 PM
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Re: $20-40 Floor Ruling, Ethics?
Hi Randy,
Thanks for the reply. "...since it it multiway I think it is inappropiate." Then I see inappropriate behaviour every single day :-) YMMV Thanks for the feedback guys. Howard
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#9
09-13-2005, 02:53 PM
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Re: $20-40 Floor Ruling, Ethics?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] I rarely come down on the side of the nits, but this time I am. In a heads up pot I would see nothing wrong with discussing the hand, but since it it multiway I think it is inappropiate. [/ QUOTE ] Why is it inappropiate? I never understood that sentiment, if I want to say I can beat a queen or not, its up to the table to decide if I am lying/bluffing, whats the different if I say it, or bet it? None. [/ QUOTE ] The difference is it give the appearance of collusion. The hotel guest that you want to stay in the game may see it as you telling your friend to save money becasue you have her beat.
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#10
09-13-2005, 03:01 PM
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Re: $20-40 Floor Ruling, Ethics?
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The difference is it give the appearance of collusion. The hotel guest that you want to stay in the game may see it as you telling your friend to save money becasue you have her beat. [/ QUOTE ] Bingo. I almost never talk about my hand. When I do, people who know me know I don't BS. Just the way I am. But 'strangers' don't know me, and so have to make their decision "in the dark". It's not collusion per se, more "local knowledge".
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