Another PP Question

bluewilde · #1 07-18-2005, 12:41 PM

All right, preflop raises the general question: "if I'm playing for set value, does that mean I fold even to a minraise?" If I assume both limpers call (dangerous assumption) I'm still only getting 6.5 to 1 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. Should I have folded?

How does it look postflop? Do I need to lead for more? Half of me is happy I tripped, but I want to shut the action down given 2 suits. When this guy pushes I'm thinking higher PP, AJ/KJ or a flush draw (ding ding ding). Call is mandatory right?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) http://216.119.70.224/converter/hhconverter.pl

MP3 (t365)
CO (t950)
Button (t830)
SB (t533)
Hero (t1595)
UTG (t1527)
UTG+1 (t790)
MP1 (t1255)
MP2 (t155)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t30, 1 fold, MP3 calls t30, 1 fold, Button raises to t60, 1 fold, Hero calls t30, MP1 calls t30, MP3 folds.

Flop: (t225) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t150, MP1 goes all in (1195) Button folds, Hero calls t1045.

Turn: (t1420) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t1420) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: t1420

Edit: think the flop is correct now

45suited · #2 07-18-2005, 12:44 PM

The converter screwed up the hand, but:

1) Pre-flop is an easy call

2) On the flop, I'm assuming he pushed. Don't fear set over set. If he's on a flush draw, great. Instantly call this push.

RedRum · #3 07-18-2005, 12:48 PM

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The converter screwed up the hand, but:

1) Pre-flop is an easy call

2) On the flop, I'm assuming he pushed. Don't fear set over set. If he's on a flush draw, great. Instantly call this push.

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Exactly what he said. This is ideal for you.

Edit: I may make it a pot-sized bet on the flop, rather than the 2/3ish you raised.

Drink More,
RedRum

bluewilde · #4 07-18-2005, 12:51 PM

All right, cause I've been folding a bunch of PPs to any resistance (even minraises) at levels 1,2 and 3 (by 4 I usually need to push a few). So which pairs can stand up to how much of the raise. I looked at this situation in terms of pot odds. I'm 7.5 to 1 to flop a set, if both limpers call I'm getting 6.5 to 1. But you say easy call, so this can't be a good approach.

45suited · #5 07-18-2005, 12:52 PM

I'd call the mini-raise with any PP in the spot you were in. Don't forget about the huge implied odds when you flop your set.

The only thing that would make me even consider not calling is if I had reason to believe that MP3 (short stack) was going to push once it got back to him. He's probably not going to do that and there were other deep stacks in the hand, so go ahead and call the mini-raise.

Don't get me wrong: In this spot, I would never consider folding, but you do have to consider limpers already in the hand before any raise and whether or not it is likely that it will be re-raised behind you if you call.

bluewilde · #6 07-18-2005, 12:55 PM

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I'd call the mini-raise with any PP in the spot you were in.

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You mean if I've already limped, am BB or SB, I assume. What about cold calling, do I cold call 2BB with any PP?

maddog2030 · #7 07-18-2005, 12:55 PM

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All right, preflop raises the general question: "if I'm playing for set value, does that mean I fold even to a minraise?" If I assume both limpers call (dangerous assumption) I'm still only getting 6.5 to 1 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]. Should I have folded?

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The odds of setting are are 7.5:1 and you're "only" getting 6.5:1 (wouldn't it be 7.5:1 anyway if both limpers called)? The implied odds are through the roof. Getting 6.5:1 is like limping with 5 limpers ahead of you. Surely you don't think that's not a good situation to try to flop a set?

morgan180 · #8 07-18-2005, 12:56 PM

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I'd call the mini-raise with any PP in the spot you were in. Don't forget about the huge implied odds when you flop your set.

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Jman28 · #9 07-18-2005, 12:59 PM

You play PPs for implied odds, not immidiate odds.

A good general rule of thumb is to play when you expect to pay less than 1/15th of your stack (or the next biggest stack) to see the flop.

bluewilde · #10 07-18-2005, 01:05 PM

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You play PPs for implied odds, not immidiate odds.

A good general rule of thumb is to play when you expect to pay less than 1/15th of your stack (or the next biggest stack) to see the flop.

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That's interesting! But I don't get why...could you explain a little, especially about "the next-biggest stack."