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Old 12-02-2005, 10:06 PM
stu-unger stu-unger is offline
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Default 99 turns full

reads- villain is over aggro, but not an idiot. when he bets it means he has something, but he can fold to resistance.

100nl 6max
effective stack 105
dealt to hero 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in MP

pre flop- hero limps, CO limps, BT and SB fold, BB checks.

flop (3.5)-5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB bets 1, hero raises to 4, CO folds, BB calls.

turn (11.5)-2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB checks, hero checks.

river (11.5)-6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
BB bets 8, hero calls.

should i be betting this turn often? can/should i raise this river?
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:14 PM
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Default Re: 99 turns full

Raise preflop.

Rest looks ok but I might min-raise river and fold to a 3-bet.
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:21 PM
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Default Re: 99 turns full

Raising the river would be good metagame.
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:26 PM
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Default Re: 99 turns full

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Raising the river would be good metagame.

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Why is that?
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:28 PM
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Default Re: 99 turns full

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Raising the river would be good metagame.

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Why is that?

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Because this way you can show down crappy hands on the river with just a flop bet. Protect your turn checks.
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:33 PM
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Because this way you can show down crappy hands on the river with just a flop bet. Protect your turn checks.

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Got it, guess I have to work more on metagame considirations. Poker is tough... and deeper and deeper for every day. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:01 PM
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Default Re: 99 turns full

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Raising the river would be good metagame.

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Why is that?

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Because this way you can show down crappy hands on the river with just a flop bet. Protect your turn checks.

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I think there are very few players that would notice this nuance and adjust. I think focusing on metagame in this situation is a waste of time. However, I like a call or a small, maybe even min-raise. Since they are pretty much equal, I guess you may as well raise for metagame, but only because it is a very close decision, and I wouldn't expect anybody to play me different later on. Am I not giving my opponents enough respect? I encountered very few thinking players at 100nl.

Nevermind. Reread the action and I missed one of the 2's. I would definitely raise here. To about 20-25.
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:27 PM
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this hand just left me feeling weak tight. my read was my hand was good the whole way, but i wasnt sure where to try and get more value in...
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:20 PM
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I probably raise the river. It's just too likely he has 5x, a flush, or 34. I wouldn't make much of a raise though, but more than min.

Turn, meh, you're made, I guess letting him get a lessor made hand's not a bad idea. Maybe a nice donkbet of $4-$5 on the turn would be OK.
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Old 12-02-2005, 10:25 PM
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Turn bet makes sense, say $6 (half pot). An A or K on the river would not be good. As played, raise the river to $12.
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