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07-09-2005, 10:56 PM
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Re: For EVERYONE Who Thinks that iPoker is Safe From the U.S. Gov.
I'm not claiming that we cry "legalize it" because the Feds haven't made it illegal... yet. I'm more concerned about the "yet."
You have a point, though, about mass acceptance (which really, we already have it). What say you, then, about the handfull of states that have already prohibited iGambling specifically? 
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07-09-2005, 10:59 PM
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Re: For EVERYONE Who Thinks that iPoker is Safe From the U.S. Gov.
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Step one: US cracks down let's not get ahead of ourselves [/ QUOTE ] It's possible, of course I hope it never happens. My email was a worse case scenario. Luckilly as I show there is a light at the end of the tunnel. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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#13
07-09-2005, 11:07 PM
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Step one: US cracks down Step two: Foreign nations appeal to the WTO for a ruling on behalf of their companies Step three: WTO rules that the US's restriction of gambling using foreign companies is against fair trade rules since the US has casinos. US has 1 to 5 years to rectify or be sanctioned Step four: Us (as usual) sends out a defiant press release, and then backs down just before the sanctions hit. Case in point, the steel industry. Worse case scenario - we get shut down for a few years. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] You've touched on another VERY important point in our favor. This already happened (sort of) with Antigua Vs. U.S. Not to mention that prohibiting this would ultimately violate other bills that have been put in place such as free-trade over the iNet (mentioned in the report) as well as others (mentioned in the report). Here's what stood out to me -- though the commission points out how utterly difficult/impossible/expensive it would be to police this if it were prohibited, they still reccomend that it be prohibited. Maybe this point would have neutralized the commission. I'd like to see correlating statistics between U.S. Casnios and iPoker (revenue specifically). So, where does that leave my initial cause? Well, I want to see poker classified differently than other casino games - yes, it's still "chance," but MUCH less than other games, no ? If everyone in America that decides to play poker has the ability to do so optimally, then it ought to receive a different classification.
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07-09-2005, 11:14 PM
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Step one: US cracks down Step two: Foreign nations appeal to the WTO for a ruling on behalf of their companies Step three: WTO rules that the US's restriction of gambling using foreign companies is against fair trade rules since the US has casinos. US has 1 to 5 years to rectify or be sanctioned Step four: Us (as usual) sends out a defiant press release, and then backs down just before the sanctions hit. Case in point, the steel industry. Worse case scenario - we get shut down for a few years. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Step two has happened, with the WTO ruling that the US can indeed regulate Internet gambling "to maintain 'public morals' and 'public order.'" News Legal Analysis This is, of course, for general Internet gambling, not poker per se. Whether step one is imminent remains to be seen.
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07-09-2005, 11:17 PM
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Step two has happened, with the WTO ruling that the US can indeed regulate Internet gambling "to maintain 'public morals' and 'public order.'" News Legal Analysis This is, of course, for general Internet gambling, not poker per se. Whether step one is imminent remains to be seen. [/ QUOTE ] Of course that was the US's PR spin. In reality the ruling stated differently. "Antigua and Barbuda, the tiny Caribbean nation that filed the case, interpreted the ruling differently, saying it would compel the United States to make some accommodation for Antiguan gaming operators. The United States either has to outlaw all gambling or "they will have to provide Antiguan online gaming companies fair access to the U.S. market," said Mark Mendel, Antigua's lead legal counsel in the case." TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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07-09-2005, 11:21 PM
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Re: For EVERYONE Who Thinks that iPoker is Safe From the U.S. Gov.
Hey iDood,
iPoker is not a word. Good day, b0...m
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#17
07-09-2005, 11:23 PM
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Re: For EVERYONE Who Thinks that iPoker is Safe From the U.S. Gov.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Step two has happened, with the WTO ruling that the US can indeed regulate Internet gambling "to maintain 'public morals' and 'public order.'" News Legal Analysis This is, of course, for general Internet gambling, not poker per se. Whether step one is imminent remains to be seen. [/ QUOTE ] Of course that was the US's PR spin. In reality the ruling stated differently. "Antigua and Barbuda, the tiny Caribbean nation that filed the case, interpreted the ruling differently, saying it would compel the United States to make some accommodation for Antiguan gaming operators. The United States either has to outlaw all gambling or "they will have to provide Antiguan online gaming companies fair access to the U.S. market," said Mark Mendel, Antigua's lead legal counsel in the case." TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I'm sure we haven't heard the last of this case from either side, of course. The "public morals" exception looks like the type of hole countries can drive a truck through, providing the type of leverage the US didn't have when pushing steel tariffs.
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07-09-2005, 11:30 PM
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Re: For EVERYONE Who Thinks that iPoker is Safe From the U.S. Gov.
Additional reasons for pro-active effort:
http://bachus.house.gov/HoR/AL06/Iss...t+gambling.htm www.freejaycohen.com -- good source for recent WTO Antigua Vs. U.S. hearings. There are more, I'm sure. My point with these links and previous points: The U.S. is majorly concerned w/ sports betting and organized, criminal activity (i.e. money laundering). They label this collectively as "gambling." They make exception for the most ridiculous gambling there is (imho) -- horse and dog racing. WTF is that? So let's work to get poker off the list. All I'm sayin'. Our sites make effort against laundering and do all they can to keep it fair (i.e. the PokerEdge incident).
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#19
07-09-2005, 11:38 PM
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Re: For EVERYONE Who Thinks that iPoker is Safe From the U.S. Gov.
Well, I want to see poker classified differently than other casino games - yes,
In terms of egaming, I wouldnt be too concerned if poker is grouped together with other casino games.... be more concerned if it is grouped together with sportsbetting. cubs
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#20
07-09-2005, 11:47 PM
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Re: For EVERYONE Who Thinks that iPoker is Safe From the U.S. Gov.
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Well, I want to see poker classified differently than other casino games - yes, In terms of egaming, I wouldnt be too concerned if poker is grouped together with other casino games.... be more concerned if it is grouped together with sportsbetting. cubs [/ QUOTE ] Can you provide a resource that makes these definitions? How certain can we be that most of these politicians make distinction (i.e. the Senate who overwhelmingly passed a bill to ban iGambling)?
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