KQ .5/1 hand

imported_adhoc · #1 06-14-2005, 11:22 PM

The villain in this hand just sat down and I had no information on him. The table is a typical party poker .5/1 table, with a 43/8. Everyone else is a fish; the guy to my left is a LAG with a 57/24.

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Villain checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Villain calls, MP3 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Villain checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: (8.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Villain bets, MP3 folds, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG folds, Villain calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB

Results in white below: 
Villain has 3d As (two pair, fours and threes).
Hero has Qc Ks (one pair, fours).
Outcome: Villain wins 12.75 BB.

Weatherhead03 · #2 06-14-2005, 11:27 PM

I have no idea why you raised the river, you were clearly beat by any PP or anyone who hit a pair, even an A beats you here. Pot is too big for Villain to fold also.

the_rookie · #3 06-14-2005, 11:29 PM

Betting the flop is bad. Raising the river is worse.

cold_cash · #4 06-14-2005, 11:29 PM

I don't like the flop or the river, so you're batting .500.

Edit - Okay, that sounded rather smartassed so I'm going to edit.

Let me ask you a question instead that might get the wheels turning a little: Was your flop bet a value bet or a semi-bluff?

Duerig · #5 06-15-2005, 12:09 AM

I check this flop and I fold this river.

topspin · #6 06-15-2005, 12:10 AM

I just check the flop through. Board too coordinated and hand too multi-way.

Raising the river is just silly.

2+2 wannabe · #7 06-15-2005, 12:12 AM

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I just check the flop through. Board too coordinated and hand too multi-way.

Raising the river is just silly.

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at .50/1 it's a value raise isn't it? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

imported_adhoc · #8 06-15-2005, 12:40 AM

With QK I figured I had 6 outs because the flop was ragged and checked to me. I would otherwise count it as 3 outs. With the backdoor straight worth 1.5 outs, I guessed I had 7.5 outs, similar to an open ender or flush draw; giving me something like 2 1/4 to 1 to make a hand by the river. I bet on the flop because I figured it would be good to try and take 2 free cards against a table of passive opponents, as one would do with a flush draw - which worked. There was also the possibility that I might win unimproved, so it could also be construed as a value bet. The bet on the river was a bluff. I hoped the villain might think I was trying to trap him with the 4's and fold, and did not think I could win with anything by calling after he bet, for the reasons already mentioned. Do you still think this is so bad?

imported_adhoc · #9 06-15-2005, 01:23 AM

Here's some additional thoughts about my raise on the river; I sat down and figured out the math.

Assuming everything else in the hand plays out the same way, each time,

1) If he is bluffing with his bet, maybe 10% of the time i will win 12.75BB unimproved.
2) If he will fold to a raise, maybe 10% of the time, i will win 12.75BB.
3) Maybe 80% of the time he will win 12.75BB, including when he re-raises, which I would fold to.

So, in 10 times i will gain 25.50BB by wagering a total of 10 extra big bets on the river, which means i will have a net profit of 15.50BB by betting on the river. Again, let me know what you think.

UncleSalty · #10 06-15-2005, 01:32 AM

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The table is a typical party poker .5/1 table, with a 43/8. Everyone else is a fish; the guy to my left is a LAG with a 57/24.

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Uh huh. My girlfriend is a typical supermodel, 38/25/36 with lustrous blonde hair. You know, a typical Denver skank.

Dude, count your lucky stars if that is a typical table for you. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]