You have to love Party on these hands...

Shaun G · #1 08-27-2004, 02:18 PM

Table is loose with a maniac or two causing chaos and showing absolute junk.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (18.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, Hero raises, Button folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (13.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (21.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 21.25 BB

The final club scared me so I was afraid someone might be setting me up for a C/R.

Results in white below: 
BB shows 7s As (high card, ace).
UTG+1 shows Ad 7d (high card, ace).
UTG+2 shows 5h Ac (one pair, fives).
Hero shows Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 21.25 BB. 

Just a happy hand I wanted to share.

Thanks
Shaun

Entity · #2 08-27-2004, 02:20 PM

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Table is loose with a maniac or two causing chaos and showing absolute junk.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero 3-bets, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (18.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, Hero raises, Button folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (13.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (21.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 21.25 BB

The final club scared me so I was afraid someone might be setting me up for a C/R.

Results in white below: 
BB shows 7s As (high card, ace).
UTG+1 shows Ad 7d (high card, ace).
UTG+2 shows 5h Ac (one pair, fives).
Hero shows Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 21.25 BB. 

Just a happy hand I wanted to share.

Thanks
Shaun

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Don't be scared. Bet that river and pay off a raise.

Rob

secada · #3 08-27-2004, 03:36 PM

SSHE has shown me the light, entity is right, bet the river. Even against 4 players.

Also, if you're up against a flush draw, I expect to get 3-bet by someone on the flop, even though you have position on them. I am not even saying it's a bad play, (3-betting with AK [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] certainly seems good no?) just saying I'd expect more action than you got no? Maybe I have just seen more LAG's recently than weak tighties who don't bet thier draws.

-secada

kiemo · #4 08-27-2004, 03:43 PM

Had I played this hand at party I wouldve bet the river and then had the fourth best hand as BB would show 67o, UTG+1 wouldve shown 92 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and UTG+2 wouldve shown pocket threes for the flopped set.

Hence I hate Party on these hands. Just me though

Jaran · #5 08-27-2004, 07:15 PM

Are we in the middle of a little downswing Kiemo? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

-Jaran

Zetack · #6 08-27-2004, 07:33 PM

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The final club scared me so I was afraid someone might be setting me up for a C/R.

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Could be...but if you bet and nobody has it, you pick up maybe 3 BB's. If you bet and get check raised it costs you two. Something to weigh.

Also, typically the rivered flush will bet it out of fear that it'll get checked around. You've got position, it looks to me like your opponents are saying they don't have it. If you were early to act the situations a little different.

--Zetack

sethypooh21 · #7 08-27-2004, 08:12 PM

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The final club scared me so I was afraid someone might be setting me up for a C/R.

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Could be...but if you bet and nobody has it, you pick up maybe 3 BB's. If you bet and get check raised it costs you two. Something to weigh.

Also, typically the rivered flush will bet it out of fear that it'll get checked around. You've got position, it looks to me like your opponents are saying they don't have it. If you were early to act the situations a little different.

--Zetack

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I don't HATE the river check, as 2 more possisble str8 draws just got there as well, making it more likely that a check-call beats me. (most worried about a4, which as we can see, UTG+2 is entirely capable of having) and who's to say that UTG+1 won't bluff CR the river? If there were one fewer opponent I guess I bet and cryingly call a raise, but hero still only has 1 pair.

Entity · #8 08-27-2004, 08:31 PM

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The final club scared me so I was afraid someone might be setting me up for a C/R.

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Could be...but if you bet and nobody has it, you pick up maybe 3 BB's. If you bet and get check raised it costs you two. Something to weigh.

Also, typically the rivered flush will bet it out of fear that it'll get checked around. You've got position, it looks to me like your opponents are saying they don't have it. If you were early to act the situations a little different.

--Zetack

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I don't HATE the river check, as 2 more possisble str8 draws just got there as well, making it more likely that a check-call beats me. (most worried about a4, which as we can see, UTG+2 is entirely capable of having) and who's to say that UTG+1 won't bluff CR the river? If there were one fewer opponent I guess I bet and cryingly call a raise, but hero still only has 1 pair.

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I think that's thinking scared. No one has given you a reason to believe they've got a good hand, so why would you assume it?

Rob

sethypooh21 · #9 08-27-2004, 08:59 PM

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I think that's thinking scared. No one has given you a reason to believe they've got a good hand, so why would you assume it?
Rob

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Fair enough. By far the weakest point of my game is value betting scary boards on the river, however, a value bet just seems mighty thin here. Looking at the actual hand, I might get one caller (the other doofuses *might* call with a7 high I suppose).

I think if I bet *and* get called, I'm losing to baby flush or str8 or some silly 2 pair more than I'm winning here. I could be very wrong in that, but in my experience that seems to be the case. Plus, what do I do if someone gets fancy and CR's me?

Of course, I'm kinda wusslike on scary rivers as I mentioned, so you could well be right.

MicroBob · #10 08-27-2004, 09:29 PM

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I think if I bet *and* get called, I'm losing to baby flush or str8 or some silly 2 pair more than I'm winning here.

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NO NO NO.
You will get called here with any variety of holdings.

Anyone with A9 or A8 (on any-9 or any-8) is likely going to call here.
The board really isn't THAT scary. The flush-draw hit, yes.
But you really need to bet here.

This is an interesting aspect of these forums.
Sometimes players will post hands that they found funny or interesting only to learn that the decision they thought was 'obvious' or 'automatic' was anything but.

Anyway, bet the river. Don't get weak-tight on hands like this and don't be afraid of monsters in the closet.